I’m having some peanuts at the moment, but a cookie would be nice later. Thanks!
Yeah, that’s fine. I don’t mind if you don’t watch it. I was just reiterating my point for those who want to continue and are concerned it does not improve.
Thanks.
[spoiler]It was said that he was a sense8 who turned and worked for the government. Possibly he turned on his cluster, too (the lobotomized assassin was almost certainly part of it).
You can’t just get anti-AIDS drugs over the counter. Kala might have access to them, and Wolfgang might steal some, but it isn’t easy.[/spoiler]
Oh, one point to those upthread who thought it was absurd that Sun could defeat the bigger men in her various fights…
Sun was not doing the fighting. The person who was had just inherited her skills as needed. The Sensat8s don’t teleport; they are seen by others in the cluster, but by no one else. So the person actually fighting was Capheus and Will – heavier and stronger than she is – just not trained.
And another point about next season…
They don’t have to keep Will drugged the entire time. They just need to move him to a new location and not tell him anything about where it is.
Fun tweet from one of the actors, but it does contain a spoiler of sorts.
Here is the guy who played Metzger with the Wachowskis on his last day of filming. They gave him a picture of Metzger with Dick Cheney. 
I did like the line about how that proved he was evil.
Must have cost a fortune to shoot then… that was one of the first things I thought when the whole “look at everything that’s happening ALL OVER THE WORLD!” vibe of the show became apparent.
Just watched the pilot, and it’s going to need to improve big time to compensate for this.
The storytelling was soooooo lazy. It doesn’t have any regard for the audience’s smarts, so they create a world where everybody just speaks English with an accent, because, ew, subtitles. There doesn’t seem to be any attempt at explaining their situation, and I suspect it will be just some sort of conspiracy by some random organization using some half-assed pseudo-science.
I could live with all that, don’t get me wrong, I’ve enjoyed worse. However…
Did the Russian guy just crack a modern safe by ear? Like it was an old timey Western safe? Is that a crazy Hospital where children with a bullet wound are not accepted and hires nurses who, not only can identify a kid as a gang member by sight, but then will go and scold the cop for not letting the kid just die?
This is something written by people with no sense of reality, and won’t bother with opening a Wikipedia page about the subject they are writing about. Unless you are telling me the writing does a 180º, I’m not continuing.
Addressing Sr Siete’s points, which I’ll put in a spoiler tag:
[spoiler]I agree the hospital situation was unrealistic, in that no hospital is ever going to turn down somebody in need. The candid nurse was really just a way to state the hospital’s covert aversion to treating gang-related injuries. Normally, they would have just thrown the kid in an ambulance and dumped him somewhere else. This was a way for the writers to show Will’s uphill battle in dealing with “enemies” of the police, and the ramifications of doing so. Despite the inaccuracies, the writers wanted the audience to see Will’s heart and willingness to help those in need. Plus, the cops have gotten enough negative press lately from shooting minorities, so the writers probably felt the need to show that Will wasn’t one of them.
The safecracker is actually German. The funeral and diamond thing was mainly to show how entrenched he is in a dangerous crime family and to give a demonstration of his skills. This is a show about people who discover they share mental links with each other. Of course it’s not going to be realistic.[/spoiler]
Oh, come on. Not this old cliché. Seriously.
Yes, there’s such a thing as suspension of disbelief. This means we accept a fantasy element (or more) in the middle of a reality - based setting, it’s not an excuse for writers to avoid doing a modicum of homework and a putting some thought because everything goes.
I’m glad I am not the only one who didn’t like the pilot. That sex scene was just gross, frankly. I don’t really need to see sex that graphically, and it was totally hijacking what was supposed to be a sci-fi movie, anyway.
I don’t like sex hijacking my stories at the best of times, but that one was really graphic.
I’m comforted to know I’m not alone. 
I fast forwarded through most of the lesbian sex scene but I did watch the end because I wanted to see the dildo. It was sort of amusing. A rainbow dildo for Pride Day.
Anyway, I wonder how many straight sex scenes I’ve had shoved in my face over the years? Too many to count. You learn to ignore it if it’s not your thing.
The problem is that they assumed the audience was smart and could figure things out without handholding. Speaking English in other countries is a long-held dramatic convention (Shakespeare had people from Venice speaking English, for instance); using subtitles wouldn’t have made the slightest difference in the plot, and it also fits in with the concept of the series better, which is that the Sense8s have no language barrier. Subtitles would have trashed that entire concept.
If you need that sort of handholding, then the show is definitely not for you. It was obvious from the start what was going on (the shows description made it abundantly clear), and it’s nice that the writing assumed that the viewer was smart enough to catch on (and also go through the same discovery process that the characters are).
Wow. It’s actually written by people with imagination and who assumed that their viewers did, too. You have to pay attention and think about what’s going on. “Opening a Wikipedia page on the subject” (even if meant metaphorically) is only needed for people who can only deal with the literal and not the imaginative. In a show like this, there’s plenty of metaphor and imaginative leaps and if you insist on things being literally and spelled out, then you’re probably right in not watching any more.
I have to disagree strongly with you, there is a difference, a very big, gigantic, monumental difference between “not handholding” and “being lazy”. There’s a big difference between “allowing for leaps of imagination” and “being unaware of the most basic knowledge about safes, or anything else”.
But if you can’t tell that difference, well, then I guess that this show is for you.
You paint with a really broad brush. If your preference is accuracy, you’re not going like any fiction at all.
This isn’t writing laziness. Sometimes writers can’t be scientifically accurate because they have long-range plans for the character and they’re trying to establish a good first impression that the audience will hopefully find compelling. JMS intends this to be a 5-year story arc if the series gets renewed. If you’re going to cynically dismiss this series because you don’t find it realistic, bye.
Of course not. It’s not a question of wanting perfect realism or not caring about it at all. It’s a spectrum. Some writers put a lot of effort and thought in their work, and I think that needs to be applauded. Some writers put very little effort in theirs, and I think it’s fair to point that out.
And I don’t have huge standards. I really don’t. But there is some stuff lazy enough to turn me off, and that pilot was in that side of the spectrum. JMS or not. And I’m talking as a huge Babylon 5 fan. That was a show with a certain amount of care and subtlety in the writing.
In fact, this was illustrated quite nicely in the 2nd or 3rd episode when a couple of the characters first met each other mentally. “Are you speaking German?” “No, I’m speaking Korean” “Why do I understand you then?” Not the literal conversation but it was along those lines.
Basically the character development occurred over most of this first season, so anyone who bailed out of the pilot really didn’t get introduced to the characters fully. I really liked that strategy of having the audience get to know each character at the same time the other characters did.
I have read this, but now that I see more sense8’s meeting each other face to face, I realize this would have cost an outrageous amount. How many people did they fly to Korea and Kenya? I guess they could be digitally added, but sometimes they touch each other.
Maybe they did most of it on location, but also had sets somewhere for scenes where people are together.
Yes, everything you said is valid. I agree about the safe and everything else. However, it does improve a lot. I’m 7 or 8 episodes in and glad I continued.
Good to know. I will give it a couple more episodes, then.
What was so bad about the safe-cracking? I’m not a safe expert and nothing bothered me at all. Those tumbler dial type safes still exist. Obviously it’s not bleeding edge modern because Wolfgang’s father had tried for years to crack that type. Is there some law you have to replace your up-to-now uncrackable safe every 18 months like a software update or something?