Now I know the real reason parents didn’t like D&D.
NAME: Adopted Child
FREQUENCY: all too common
NO. APPEARING: 1-4
ARMOR CLASS: 10 (deceptively easy target)
MOVE: silently, when you least expect it
HIT DICE: 1-4 HP (again, seems harmless)
% IN LAIR: 99% standing over you in your lair, while you sleep
TREASURE TYPE: F, Q (ill gotten gains from murdered victims)
NO. OF ATTACKS: 1 (your death)
DAMAGE/ATTACK: all your HP are belong to us
SPECIAL ATTACKS: innocent appearance, murderous rage
SPECIAL DEFENSES: support network of narcissistic infertile yuppies
MAGIC RESISTANCE: lots
INTELLIGENCE: cunning
ALIGNMENT: chaotic motherfucking handshaking evil
SIZE: small… oh so small and innocent
PSIONIC ABILITY: 666
Attack/Defense Modes: fortune telling
My first laugh of the day.
I just snorted a half-chewed piece of red licorice out my nose. I may sue.
I’ve never played D&D but this made me laugh pretty hard.
So your defense to doing something wrong is to claim that other people do wrong things to? So can I offer you a handshake because other people offer women handshakes?
I think we’re closing in on something here.
If I understand correctly, this nutbag, measured amongst the family that raised her, was the most difficult to prove an unfit guardian. Not that any of them were actually fit, just that this one was the most difficult to prove anything against, mind you. And, if this is the best and brightest of the clan, well what does it say about the rest?:eek:
Then, let’s stop and consider just how unfit would those others, have to be, for Roma culture/Eastern European officialdom, to be able to easily make a case against their fitness. Seriously, what could possibly have made them think the entire rest of the family was ‘unfit’?
I shiver to think what it could possibly be. And I, for one, don’t want to know, because I suspect it passes into the realm of stones better left unturned.
I’m assuming that Qadgop has shaken hands with colleagues and even his patients at work. Does that mean he’s been prison-raped? 
Expect it is NOT just one loon. Someone keeps voting for this guy, enough someones to keep him in office. This shows that it is not a “red herring” as you would have liked to pretend. These people DO exist. They are trying to make it happen, they just don’t have the polical clout to succeed, yet.
If thier biological family are damaging them then it is not wrong. If thier biological gives them away because they do not want or cannot care for them then it is not wrong.
If that were happening then you would be correct but I posit that the incidences of this in civilized countries is so low as to be negligible and that you know this if you were raised in one.
THIS is what makes me think you were raised in a Skinner box. Discipline? It takes a lot of it to mold a child without a harsh hand. Children learn by example mostly and that may take years. But a waste of time? No. It is the highest honor and greatest pleasure. A sociopath? YOU consider yourself the arbiter of what makes someone a sociopath? How many children have YOU raised? The greatest tradition and bond which creates a good and noble person is love and caring not cold discipline. Warmth teaches a child to discipline themselves. A child first cares about doing right when they know that to do wrong will hurt the parent and make them less in thier eyes.
I want to leave you with what my grown, successful, absolutly wonderful daughter wrote to me last fathers day. I have it framed above my computer next to the painting she did of me and my father that I treasure.
*Daddy,
I love you so much I wanted to let you know how much you mean to me. Some of my favorite memories growing up were times spent with you. I remember days when you were so tired from work but you would drag yourself outside to help me catch better for little league. I remember our fishing trips and the momemts spent getting our boat ready for the lake. I remember long talks when I would go with you to work and the life lessons you taught me through your comical, sometimes sad youth. I remember how special you made every Christmas, and how precious you made me feel everyday.
You taught me to love unconditionally, be patient with others, not to be prideful, to look at the world as a beautiful place full of wonder and magic. There was never a day I didn’t know my daddy loved me or that you didn’t make me feel like a princess. I treasure our Saturday morning cartoon sittings, our nature walks, our arts and crafts on the kitchen table, and all the times you would braid my hair before school.
You helped make me the confident woman I am today and I’m so proud to call you my father. You have given me eyes to see the wonder this world has to offer, a heart to feel compassion for everyones circumstances, hands to create beautiful things, and a brain to sit and ponder lifes mysteries. You are the only one I can share my craziest thoughts with and you get me. You’re a wonderful dad and I thank you for giving me a life full of wonder.*
You do have my sympathy for the way you were brought up but it can’t change what I know to be true.
You’re a feminist the way a ham-and-cheese sandwich is kosher, you evil shitstain lunatic.
This is awesome.
You think the protestors will shut up about abortion causing breast cancer?
So their lies justify your lies?
Why don’t you find someone around here who says that, and pit them for it? Maybe they’ll stop. 
Dude, you shouldn’t have touched her waist without permission. That’s worse than handshaking.
Disclaimer: I am not adopted. I don’t think I even know anyone who is adopted. I have no particular feelings or opinions about adoption one way or another.
I opened this thread because the title was interesting and I’ve always thought of Annie as a completely uncontroversial poster.
I read the first third of the thread and decided to go-a-googling to see where this all started and what information might be available.
It appears to me, from my search that the source for the information is a book called “Adoption: Uncharted Waters” by David Kirschner, PH.D, the man who came up wiht the concept of “Adopted Child Syndrome”.
According to his book, FBI statistics state that 16% of serial killers are adopted, vs. 2-3% of the population. In my search I saw other breakdowns of the facts, but all of them arrived at the conclusion that adoptees are overrepresented to a statistically significant degree among serial murderers.
The book has been positively reviewed by people who it appears are not in any way hostile to adoption:
All of this leads me to say that it appears the quarrel should be less with Annie than with Dr. Kirschner. From his website description of the book:
I recommend that anyone wondering go to the Amazon link and look inside the book to the acknowledgments and introduction, where the author talks about how he became interested in the subject, as well as the rest of available pages. It’s hard to come away with the idea that this is the pathetic work of a raving madman without a clue. It seems he may have a point, and that his work is designed to help people avoid pitfalls that can lead to profoundly damaging results as a consequence of adoption specifically.
So, in conclusion, it appears that Annie is not crazy, irrational or stupid, although she might be slightly repetitive and unusually interested in the topic. Rather, she is accepting, vs. rejecting, the conclusions a psychologist/psychoanalyst who has made a study of the issue has come to. You may reject them. But your rejection of Kirschner’s theory is not for some reason clearly correct while Annie’s acceptance is clearly incorrect; it seems that there is room for debate and analysis of the theory.
You mean sociopaths who advocate infanticide as a solution if abortion were outlawed? :rolleyes:
Did you bother reading the rest of the thread to see why throwing these “facts” around is wrong and harmful? All you’re saying is that it’s okay to repeat idiotic claims as long as they came out of a book. There is plenty of information in this thread that explains why those figures are absolutely meaningless. Even Annie came to realize that those figures were crap. Now here you are promoting his work?
DUH DUH DUH, HERE COMES STOID TO SAVE THE DAAAAAAY, PROMOTER OF THE MISUNDERSTOOD SNAKE-OIL SALESMAN, DEFENDER OF THE DOWNTRODDEN TRUTH-SEER, FIGHTER OF MAINSTREAM IDEOLOGIES AND ARROGANT LAWYER JERKS!
I feel safer already.