Seriously, twickster?

[Saint_Cad]

@Jonathan_Chance

However, devilsknew is also perfectly justified in asking his question. To most Americans (I don’t know if dk is American or not, frankly) there is a wide space held under the phrase ‘sexual assault’ that goes from groping and touching to hand under pants and other very aggressive and violent behaviors. However, ‘rape’ as a word is generally reserved for penetrative sexual violence. By using the phrase ‘sexual assault’ in the stories the reporters in question, while possibly having little choice, are opening a new series of questions about what TYPE of sexual assault took place. Had the stories used ‘rape’ the reader (and the public) would know what happened. But to use ‘sexual assault’ the follow up questions are inevitable and should be expected.

Hell, haven’t there been some discussion about TSA “sexually assaulting” passengers during screening. I also read a news story some time ago about a reporter at a border in the Middle East. The article was graaphic saying that while her partner was skinned alive she was gang-raped. No euphamisms, but the brutal truth about what was done to her.

[Una_Persson]

@Silver_Fire

Cookie!

I’m still waiting for the words “class act” to make an appearance.

Silver Fire, I’ve always honestly thought you were a class act.

[Arnold_Winkelried]

@Beadalin

A Slate article asks and answers the same question devilsknew raised. There was nothing out of line about it.

CBS correspondent Lara Logan was a victim of sexual assault. Is that the same as rape?

Is that the right article? The Slate article I read was talking about the legal difference between sexual assault and rape.
I though the kerfluffle arose because devilsknew asked (paraphrasing) “what exactly happened to that newscaster? Was there penetration?” I don’t know if devilsknew meant it that way, and I’m going to assume not (I haven’t read the whole thread, maybe the answer is in there), but that question seems more crass to me than what the Slate article was discussing. The Slate article is not trying to determine exactly how much the newscaster was violated.

ETA: I agree that rape (penetration) is worse than unwanted groping, and some people might mistakenly use the wrong word when describing an act of molestation, but trying to figure out to what extent a person was injured or penetrated or whatever could seem a little creepy (not directed at devilsnew, just giving my general impression.)

[Beadalin]

Yes, that’s the article I intended. I guess we just have different readings of devilsknew’s tone. I think the line of questioning was seeking to understand the obviously deliberately-used term “sexual assault.” It’s hard topic to read about and not get emotionally invested, so I get how sensitive this is. I just don’t think he being creepy.

[VinylTurnip]

The relevant portion of the exchange is contained in post #31. He was clearly asking a question about terminology, and whether the failure to use the term “rape” indicated something other than penetrative rape. Which is a legitimate question, and not limited to this specific incident. I haven’t seen a news report use the word “rape” in a long time, even when the term clearly fits. By generalizing the term used (albeit for the laudable purpose of protecting the victim’s privacy), they leave a lot of uncertainty as to the severity of an attack.

I submit that those of you who find it “creepy” are filling in your own squiggles on the inkblot, where none exist.

[Cat_Whisperer]

@Shodan

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And kudos to twickster for apologizing as appropriate.

Ideally she’d stop doing things that required apologizing.

[Quasimodem]

We’ve all done stuff requiring apologizing, okay?

The folks who keep us “in line” (or try to), are people just like us - prone to mistakes.

Twicks said “sorry” and that should be enough.

It it isn’t, then why isn’t it?

Is it about the number of times “sorry” is said?

If so, then I wouldn’t have a son.

She apologized.

Time to move on, y’all!

Thanks

Quasi

[bengangmo]

Am I mistaken or is this the second time that there has been a problem with Twickster’s moderation in a sexual assault thread?

[MsWhatsit]

As I tell my own children on a regular basis, “Sorry is nice, but what’s nicer is not having to say you’re sorry in the first place.”

[Alice_The_Goon]

I do like twickster as a poster, and I’m sure she’s lovely as a person, but she has proven time and again that she’s unable to be objective and keep her personal opinions out of her moderating decisions. Sometimes you’re just not cut out for a certain job- doesn’t mean anything about you as a person.

[Quasimodem]

Okay, here we go:

WHAT criteria are used when offering a mod/admin position here?

Human/Super-Human/Alien…

?

Can they be voted out?

I do not know this stuff, so I have to ask.

Q

[cochrane]

@Quasimodem

We’ve all done stuff requiring apologizing, okay?

The folks who keep us “in line” (or try to), are people just like us - prone to mistakes.

Twicks said “sorry” and that should be enough.

It it isn’t, then why isn’t it?

Is it about the number of times “sorry” is said?

If so, then I wouldn’t have a son.

She apologized.

Time to move on, y’all!

Thanks

Quasi

Yeah, I agree with Quasi, here. Larry Borgia apologized and it was acknowledged without anyone jumping down his throat. Let’s afford Twicks the same courtesy. She owned up to being rude and apologized, and I believe she was sincere. Apology acknowledged. We’re all human. Nobody’s perfect. As they say on Vulcan, “We need not speak of it anymore.”

[Silver_Fire]

@Una_Persson

Silver Fire, I’ve always honestly thought you were a class act.

Thanks.

[Cat_Whisperer]

@Quasimodem

We’ve all done stuff requiring apologizing, okay?

The folks who keep us “in line” (or try to), are people just like us - prone to mistakes.

Twicks said “sorry” and that should be enough.

It it isn’t, then why isn’t it?

Is it about the number of times “sorry” is said?

If so, then I wouldn’t have a son.

She apologized.

Time to move on, y’all!

Thanks

Quasi

I have no problem with the idea that mods are human and they make mistakes, too, but you can’t keep making the same mistake over and over and keep on apologizing for it before someone, sooner or later, is going to expect you to start learning from your mistakes and correcting the behaviour. As a famous Scottish guy once said, “Sorry doesn’t make my shirt any drier.”

[devilsknew]

@twickster

My apologies for not posting earlier – I am completely swamped at work right now, and though I saw this thread when it was started, I decided not to post immediately after reading the “worst mod ever” comment.

What I was responding in the Cafe Society thread to was my reading of the post in question as “okay, so was she like, raped, raped? or is this one of those slap on the ass legality things?” My reaction was, in fact, “what the fuck is wrong with you?”

I should not, however, have said “what the fuck is wrong with you.”

I apologize to devilsknew for inappropriate language, and I apologize to everyone in that thread for not keeping my opinion of what he said separate from my actions as a moderator.

And with that, as is my wont, I’m done commenting on the matter.

twickster, Cafe Society moderator

No apology really necessary, I was not offended, and I can understand some degree of sensitivity about the whole thing.

But what I am offended by is the suggestion in this thread and the assumption in the other thread that I asked out of prurient interest, or that it was “masturbation fodder”- That is highly insulting and as far away from the truth as possible. I was simply trying to understand the scope of the implications based on the sparse amount of information that the aricle provided and understand the language. Was it legalese?Journalistic language? A combination of both beating around the bush? I admit I was curious, but I was curious about the terminology and the hows and whys… and ultimately the truth of what happened to this poor lady and how it reflects on Egypt and Egyptians as a culture? I mean, I didn’t want to believe the implications of the terminology and I could hardly imagine it, because mob rape is so far outside of my experience and understanding, that I was suffering from some cognitive dissonance and denial and perhaps a bit of naivete. I was really hoping that the worst wasn’t true for this lady’s sake and the reputation of a whole people (Egyptians), and the far reaching implications of this atrocity in today’s political climate.

[Snarky_Kong]

@mhendo

And yet you apparently don’t understand what it means.

As Miller quite clearly points out, Claude Remains clearly and unequivocally broke three rules in a single thread. Whatever you think about twickster’s moderating in this case, Miller’s was unexceptionable, IMO.

I don’t see any difference between what Miller said and my summary of the situation. Just because the board has rules doesn’t mean they’re not bullshit.

[running_coach]

@Snarky_Kong

Miller pretty much threatens a poster with banning for thinking badly about a mod, so watch out all of you.

Point out where that happened.
Millers post.

Okay, three things:

1. Telling other posters to suck one or more dicks, regardless of their container, is a violation of the Pit language rules.

2. Pitting a moderator for a ruling is, likewise, against the rules - complaints about moderation go in ATMB.

3. Cussing at a moderator for actions undertaken in their capacity as a moderator is - wait for it - against the rules.

Claude, given your history here, there is no way in hell you didn’t know this already. So I’m making this an official warning, as well as notice that your posting rights are under review.

@Snarky_Kong

I don’t see any difference between what Miller said and my summary of the situation. Just because the board has rules doesn’t mean they’re not bullshit.

Have you not grown up past the age of four?

[BigT]

@cochrane

Yeah, I agree with Quasi, here. Larry Borgia apologized and it was acknowledged without anyone jumping down his throat. Let’s afford Twicks the same courtesy. She owned up to being rude and apologized, and I believe she was sincere. Apology acknowledged. We’re all human. Nobody’s perfect. As they say on Vulcan, “We need not speak of it anymore.”

Larry doesn’t have a habit of doing stuff like this. When your apologies are often followed by you making the same mistake again, people have a tendency to stop believing your sincerity.

[cochrane]

Fine. She apologized. That’s the end of it as far as I’m concerned. I haven’t paid attention if she’s done this before, nor am I interested in keeping score.

[Quasimodem]

@BigT

Larry doesn’t have a habit of doing stuff like this. When your apologies are often followed by you making the same mistake again, people have a tendency to stop believing your sincerity.

BigT, my dear friend, how many times have I asked for forgiveness, and how many times has it been granted?

I am, in no way placing myself in Twick’s situation, being that she and so many others of you can run rings around me, intelligence-wise.

I’m just telling y’all that it doesn’t matter about the mistakes. What does matter is do we realize we’ve made one, and Twicks did.

Simple as that, and she apologized.

Is she gonna fuck up again?

Yeah! Maybe!

But so will I and so will you.

And that’s how we get through life: fuck up and correct, fuck up and correct, fuck up and correct.

I love this place, and I love the folks who run it.

In closing, let me ask y’all something:

Would a person in real time even bother with this?

Thanks

Quasi