Sex WITHIN marriage? (A Christian viewpoint)

I started a thread at LBMB on this subject, but due to the nature of the post and the nature of replies, I thought I would start it here as well.

That thread is here: http://www.leftbehind.com/cgi-bbs/Forum8/HTML/001989.html

The way I understand it, any sex or sexual contact outside of marriage is a sin. Pretty much a given.

What I want to know is if, within the marriage bounds, how Christians feel (and therefore if scripture discusses) about certain sexual acts?

I was shown a website that claimed that even within marriage that oral sex is a sin, for example. The same site also said anal sex was equally sinful.

Discussion from Pounders and normal people (kidding!) welcome…


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If a husband and wife agree…within bounds of reason then any sexual act between the husband and wife is fine…that should be worked out between the two of them.


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Certainly the English translations of the Biblical passages referring to unnatural intercourse are less than clear about which acts they’re referring to. Whether there were any understood meanings of the original terms that got left behind :slight_smile: in translation, I have no clue.

Never tried anal sex; never been interested. I have no problem with oral sex, other than not having it available on demand!

Theres nowhere in my Bible I’ve found where it says different kinds of sex are forbidden in marriage.
I am Shocked!Just read somewhere James Dobson of Focus On the Family says its okay for singles to masturbate;that he cant find it mentioned as wrong in the Bible!Well.

Hey… They CLOSED the thread with a “read the rules” comment. I guess I’m bad… whatever. We’ll just restrict conversation to this board I suppose…


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What - a fundie actually reading the entire context of the Onan story? (Genesis 38, if anyone cares.) I’m astounded. :slight_smile:

In which denominations? I imagine that, for example, Unitarians don’t claim that.

Nah, it’s in there. “Thou shalt not toucheth thine own naughty bits, lest thou findest disfavor with the Lord, and thy palms become as unshorn sheep.” Deuteronomy, I think.

I don’t know about straight-from-the-bible, but it’s certainly not okay by Catholic standards to use contraception during sex, married or not, so that’d be a limit.


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Brian,

Seems strange posting over here - don’t know why it’s just a message board. Anyway, to the topic.

If you read Hebrews 13:4 it says:

I was always under the impression that the marriage bed was undefilable. Meaning what husband and wife did * together * was acceptable in the eyes of the Lord. I think the passage is equally clear that sex outside of marriage is a sin.

Some other translations like the NIV (my personal choice) read that the marriage bed should be kept “pure.” In that context what is pure? Does it mean that certain sex acts between a husband and wife are sinful? I guess that depends on what the translators meant when the used the word pure.

My personal opinion (based on the KJV verse above) is what a husband and wife do behind closed doors is perfectly acceptable in the eyes of the Lord. It’s what goes on outside of the bounds of marriage that God has a problem with.

Swinging from the chandalier and covered in mayonnaise is the only way as far as I’m concerned.

Nah, actually, as a Christian, I agree with fuzzy-wuzzy. It’s between the husband and wife to decide what’s acceptable (and fun, and arousing, etc.).


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Here is some info on how at least come fundamentalist Christians view the issue, as from the website which first made me ask the question:

http://vanguardmag.com/kernels.htm

The Bible states that the marriage bed is undefiled. Does this mean that anything goes; more specifically, is oral and anal sex okay? See special note immediately following this article.

ANSWER: Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. (Heb. 13:4) Dissecting the scripture with some literacy, the writer states that the marriage bed is undefiled in that a husband may enter into his wife; this was ordained by God from the beginning. However, whoremongers and adulterers, those who engage in sex outside of marriage, will be judged. This answers the first part of the question.

In order to understand the sentiment expressed in the second part, Is oral and anal sex okay? one has to rewrite the question from a Biblical perspective, Is sodomy okay? Sodomy is anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex (or in homosexuality, a member of the same sex).

Now oral and anal copulation has been a sin from the beginning—it is called “sodomy.” Beloved, do you think that marriage disannuls the commandment? Of course not. In short, sodomy is a corruption of the marriage bed. Corruption stems from a Perverse spirit. Perverse—“contrary to what is right or good; perverted.” Perversion does not lead to fruitfulness of the womb; that is, children, but a defiling of the flesh and moral decay. Defile—“To make filthy or dirty; pollute.”

Heed the warning against sodomy, the defiling of the flesh, in Jude 1:7,8: “Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh…” (Jude 1:7,8)

Important note: Semen, the male ejaculate, may be likened to blood in the sense that “there is life in the blood.” Semen is present in the so-called lubricant that a male excretes before and during copulation; hence, the lubricant may be deemed life-giving blood. Apply this, if you will, to oral sex: when a woman commits this vile crime against nature, even though she may not ingest the resultant ejaculate, she nevertheless ingests the outflow of lubricant, which also contains the blood of life, meaning that she literally ingests blood. This is the forbidden sin of cannibalism and the spiritual authority for Satan to give the offender the dreaded disease of AIDS. Note: AIDS may also be contracted if blood is ingested through either a used hypodermic needle, blood transfusion, or organ transplant.

In summary, the interrelated sins: sodomy (defiling the flesh) and cannibalism, are sins unto death. Beloved, if you are engaged in these crimes, you must stop immediately. “For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Heb 10:26,27)

Of course, the page also offers this gem:

Note: For the spiritually discerning, one of the major causes of homosexuality is masturbation.

That clinches it… I guess I’m a raging fag now…


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Satan said:

Hmmmm… a somewhat ironic typo…


As to the web-site you dragged up. Guess their gonna have to come confiscate my ID card again.

I’m more inline with what DC Scott said. As long as my spouse doesn’t get out the candle wax ans cat-o-nine-tails, I’m quite happy with me marriage bed. :slight_smile:


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Well, shit. This clinches me going to hell, I think…yo Satan, can you save me a spot by the bar?? And oral sex is “a vile crime against nature?” Hoo boy…
Put me in jail then…I like committing crimes. :wink:

In all seriousness…I agree with the people who have said it’s up to the husband and wife to determine what THEY feel is acceptable. If they agree on what is “right” in the marriage bed, who the hell cares what anyone else thinks.

Ok, most of this falls into line with OT law that we are not under, but I don’t think God’s really impressed with this sort of stuff…
Exodus 22:19
Anyone who has sexual relations with an animal must be put to death.
There are a LOT of others, but they aren’t really marriage-bed related. Not that that one was either, but, well, there are just some things I never expected to be mentioned in the Bible, and that was one of them!

Navigator:

I believe I know where you stand (or lay, as the case might be) with this issue. That said, just for clarification, I assume you (and your wife) just don’t go for that kinky stuff, but if both of you DID, it would be okay within the realm of marriage. Am I correct?


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ummmm… yes.

Did you read my entire post??

::looks at keyboard::

::‘s’ is over there ‘c’ is over there::

:slight_smile:


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Phillipians 4:13

Hmmm. I’ve wondered about this. I always assumed that the married part was the “biggie” with the Christian religion, and anything after that was just niggly detail. I mean, who wants to anylize every damn move that is made during sex, and “decide” what is OK and not OK? Sheesh.

My take would be, that a married couple has sex - and it’s a healthy and normal part of their marriage. If covering themselves with mayonnaise “gets them in the mood”, then that’s what they need to do. If oral sex gets them in the mood, then that’s what they need to do.

Anal sex I personally have a problem with (it seems like it would be painful) but hey - if both parties want it, and they make sure that no damage to delicate tissues is involved (sorry to be graphic, but “damage to delicate tissues” sounds VERY unsexy to me) then that is between them. If these sex acts fulfill them, enhance their marriage, make them feel happy, close, content in that facet of their marriage, then that sounds pretty good to me. I think they key word would be BOTH people want it, whatever “it” is.

They put the animal to death, too, which is just plain mean. Poor little goat. Or sheep. Or hamster. Whatever.


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