And maybe one of these days, I’ll learn to spell God’s name…
For what it’s worth:
The book of Ruth ( I believe) contains an episode where a man dies, and his brother is forced to marry her. However, a marriage could be annulled back then if it didn’t produce children, so in order to get out of the marriage the man withdrew and “spilled his seed” (I hate when that happens) in the marriage bed. He was brutally punished by God for wasting his seed.
I believe that he was brutally punished for disobeying God’s direct command to him…
-David
Where do they suppose families come from?
alsmith - it’s not Ruth; try Genesis 38. Onan was the brother who spilled his seed.
Holly-
You a funny girl-they just don’t want twelve year old kids reading about blow jobs-ok? 
Uh-oh… the bigred1 migration has occurred 
**bigred1 considers letting down her hair some here… but not toooo much 
First off… let me make sure I know where the ‘s’ is and where the ‘c’ is so that I don’t make any Freudian slips.
Ok… so my thoughts on this one… if both want it… go for it (leaving out what is specifically forbidden in the Bible of course). I don’t see oral, anal, or masturbation in the Bible. So until someone can point those verses out to me…
The main thing to me is… you stay out of my bedroom… and I’ll stay out of yours. Somehow I think that might be Biblically improper. Besides… you don’t want to be in my bedroom… trust me!
On the flip side of this… while the Bible doesn’t always tell us what NOT to do, it did make the point of going ahead and doing some things (although no specifics are given). Here I’m talking about much of the first part of 1Cor 7. Paraphrased: get married so that you won’t be tempted, and have sex within the marriage so you won’t be tempted. And of course… many other places in the Bible… wait? am I allowed to talk about the Bible here?
This is going to be fun… I like y’alls sense of humor!!
Beth
Hi Beth, Al, WB Nishi, nice dodge Nav (did I get everything?)
Beth said:
Problem is, Beth, that some Christians do believe oral, anal, and autoerotic sex are forbidden by the Book. Check out the link Satan provided at the top of the page (ok, ok, I know how that sounded, i’ll start calling him Brian). Anal and oral=Sodomy, masturbation=onanism. Which interpretation is correct?
So far most everyone has come down solidly on the “anything consensual behind closed doors is ok” camp. I’m hoping someone not of that opinion will show up. (Sure as hell won’t be me, tho.)
-andros-
The Bible is not clear on sexual specifics inside of marriage. What may be “keeping the marriage bed pure” to one person, may be perversion to another. Homosexuality is clearly stated as a sin though.
[My opinion] Anything that is “unnatural” would be considered unpure. This includes anal sex. Beastiality, necrophelia, sodomy, felching, bondage, and all that other sick junk would obviously fall into the category of unnatural too.[/My opinion]
James Dobson did say that masturbation is ok for singles. When I heard that a while back I was rather shocked. Even though I repect him, I believe he is wrong, and that masturbation outside of marriage is a grave sin.
Adam
“Life is hard…but God is good”
“Knock and the door shall be opened unto you.”
Thanks, Adam!
I loved the way the link referred to fellatio as a ‘vile crime against nature.’ Yeh, right - they’re completely unconcerned about nature when the bulldozers tear it down, and they ridicule those of us who would defend the habitat of a threatened owl.
But if a man comes in his wife’s mouth, a crime has been committed against nature. Suuuure.
Welcome aboard, Beth!
Glad to see you here, really. Hope you’ll stay a while!
Over at LBMB, I could tell that you were opinionated, not willing to back down when right but willing to admit when wrong, and overall a pretty oppen-minded and nn-judgmental person who was open to learning and didn’t mind a debate.
What the heck were you over there to begin with?
Hey… Ow! OW! Tell navigator and lauralee to stop throwing things at me!
Yer pal,
Satan
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< Can Of Worms >
Okay, some more food for thought here.
Seems to me that everyone here (except ARG, but that is hardly surprising) seems to think that the site I linked to and whose ideas sparked this thread are pretty radical, and most - even our new Pounder friends - don’t buy it.
Well, we DO know that some people DO buy it (thanks ARG and the site itself), and here’s a possible reason, specifically when it comes to oral sex.
It is proven that most women can only orgasm from direct clitoral stimulation, which is best done through cunnilingus.
If oral sex is out, while men would no doubt miss it, women would miss far more because for a majority of them can ONLY climax through this. Or through manual manipulation, but that could easily be explained away as a masturbatory function.
It has also been established that parts of the Bible can be very sexist.
Let’s put two and two together to come up with this hypothesis - that these rules just further make women secondary to men (certainly, their pleasure is secondary with these rules) even more than before, and there are some fundamentalists who really like that thought.
< /Can Of Worms >
Yer pal,
Satan
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Orangecakes posted 01-12-2000 12:22 PM
Is it?
from Kernals
Does the Bible ever refer it as “sodomy”? I don’t think so.
Spiritus Mundi posted 01-12-2000 03:04 PM
Really? Adultry isn’t sinful? I think that having sex without using birth control is a sin if you’re unable/unwilling to take care of any resulting children.
Ah, but they’re still open to the possibility of children. Just because the woman doesn’t get preganant, that doesn’t mean she doesn’t want to. Oh, and by the way, eating products containing aspartame is a sin, because you are enjoying the sweetness (actually, I think it tastes bitter, but that’s a different matter) without being open to the possibility of getting fat. And wearing a helmet while motorcycling is a sin because you’re not being open to the possibility of being killed.
Nishi posted 01-12-2000 07:34 PM
Yeah, instead of learning about it from (supposedly) responsible adultse, let them learn about it from other twelve year olds.
andros posted 01-12-2000 08:18 PM
I did, and they were unable to come with any quotes from the Bible that condemned oral or anal sex.
Something else to consider: when it comes to oral/anal sex, masturbation, homosexuality, etc., conservative Christians start quoting from the Old Testament. Yet how many Christians do you know that keep Kosher? Or observe the Sabbath (the real Sabbath, not the Christian “Sabbath”)? According to the OT, having sex with your wife is a sin if she’s menstruating (although I suppose this makes sense from a practical standpoint). And a wet dream makes a man “impure”.
It seems to me that the bible really doesn’t have much to say on the subject. Most Christian’s opinions come from what they think the bible says, that is, what they have been taught in church.
Is adultery defined anywhere in the bible? I know that there is scripture that forbids a woman to sleep with someone other than her husband, but does it say that a married man cannot have a mistress?
You’re eeeeevil.
(But I suppose I suspected as much.)
Brian-
hey!!! I am jealous-I didn’t get a welcome like that when I joined!!!
RTFirefly:
Ha! How dare you question my bible reference!!!???!!!
Genesis indeed.
I’ll show you. Let me just get my bible. It says right here in the Book of Ruth that Onan…
Ummmm…
Ummmm…
Did I say Ruth? I meant Genesis. “Ruth” was a typo. Really 
Damn simulposts. I was calling Sata evil, no offense meant to anyone else.
The Ryan asked:
I assumed Spiritus was talkign about sex within marriage (as per the OP). If he wasn’t, it’s a matter for another debate.
-andros-
Satan posted 01-12-2000 08:44 PM
Why are you singling out ARG? He specifically stated that the Bible is unclear on most sexual issues, and that his belief that oral sex, etc. are wrong is simply his opinion.