The action didn’t take place in your jurisdiction, so what your jurisdiction considers a sexual crime isn’t really relevant. However, you yourself stated that in your jurisdiction you’d have to prove the act was for the purpose of sexual gratification. I was merely remarking that that’s not as easy to show as you might think it is.
you made an unequivocal statement that it was just a prank. I pointed out, not in every jurisdiction.
again, you seem to think that it would be considered a prank, IME ( about 30 years working w/ex offenders in MI) no,that wouldn’t be a problem.
FWIW, I probably wouldn’t, but I would certainly re-think who I hung around with. It was a disgusting thing to do to someone.
Hardly; in the real world most people would call this sexual assault, and wouldn’t bother with all this arguing about whether or not it fits this or that technical definition. I expect most people would consider it serious enough to justify some bystander shoving the guy off her and beating him senseless. I certainly would.
No. I sincerely doubt most people would include a stranger’s genitals on the face of an unwilling person as “mischief.”
So let’s get back to the place where (in the real world) the large majority of this sort of behavior occurs, which is primarily where young people crash after they get shitfaced. Frat houses, dorm rooms, apartments & parent’s basements. Has there ever been a successfully prosecuted case where tea-bagging a sleeping person resulted in a conviction & prison time?
I don’t think the point of the thread is wherther or not the guy could beat the rap. If you commit a crime and get away with it, you still committed the crime.
If you have cites for unprosecuted “tea-bagging” you are free to show them. I have no cites whatsoever for “tea-bagging.” As far as I know, no one else has ever before “tea-bagged” a sleeping person.
That doesn’t mean that “most people” as was claimed would consider this mere “mischief.” I sincerely doubt they would. Remember “most people” includes my mom.
Well…there are differing opinions in this thread as to whether this behavior qualifies as true criminal sexual assault, or just incredibly obnoxious behavior.
Arguing that it most certainly does constitute a criminal sexual assault that should be prosecuted with hard time is a difficult position to sustain if no real world jury would sentence a person to jail for doing this.
You’re a goddamn idiot. If you can’t be bothered to read the stuff linked to in the thread, then piss the fuck off and shut the fuck up.
Definitions under Kentucky law:
The law as written does not require penetration to be “deviate sexual intercourse.” What I said, if you had bothered to read it carefully instead of seeing the R word and launching this ludicrous “He said rape! Otto said rape!” screed, was that if under Kentucky law “deviate sexual intercourse” is legally considered “sexual intercourse” then in my opinion Mister Teabag is guilty of the statutorily-defined “rape in the first degree.”
No, it’s clear to most people that the environment you inhabit and the mores you and your friends espouse are alarmingy agressive and that it’s you, not us, that need to re-examine your social behavior.
yBeayf, dude, I think in the past you’ve been a well-spoken, good guy. With that intellect given to still be intact, this is behaviour you’d approve towards your date, your girlfriend, your sister, your mother, your mother-in-law, etc?
Honestly guy, the best I can garner from your posts is that you think it happens all the time and that makes it okay. If that’s the case, be prepared for husbands, dads, boyfriends and basically every outraged male in every outraged family spurned on by every understandably outraged sister, mother, aunt and grandmom to consider your nuts fair pinatas. Frankly, the only advice I’d offer them is to swing for the motherfucking fence.
…And fuck me if I’m first in line to hand them the splintered bat.
yBeauf… dude… you’re better than that.
Sodomy in the first degree, not rape. Please read the relevant statutes.
Is there perhaps a generational difference at work here? The youngsters seem to take this incident lightly.
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It appears that “teabagging” in Pennsylvania gets you charged with indecent assault.
FTR, I’ve never teabagged anyone, and would never do so, and to my knowledge, none of my friends have done so, either.
If something like this were done to my date, girlfriend, or mother, I’d probably beat the ass (metaphorical or otherwise) of whoever did it. However, I’d do the same thing if they drew all over her with a sharpie, or did the hand-in-warm-water prank. In other words, I’d treat it the same as I’d treat any other sort of humiliating prank done to someone I care about. If someone did this to my sister, well, I pity that fool. She has a temper that you do not want to mess with. I’d just stand back and watch the carnage.
If someone actually sexually assaulted a person I care about, God help them.
You really think so? I’d expect precisely the opposite. I’d expect a liberal crowd to get much more upset over something like this than a conservative group, who would be much more likely to shrug something like this off as “boys will be boys.”
I don’t know where this “its just a prank” comes from either. I inhabit an environment where people periodically drink and pass out in other people’s houses. Maybe they get written on, mostly they get a blanket thrown over them and a bucket put by them for later. Maybe its because the group I hang around with cares for each other and watches out for one another, but if anyone did ANYTHING like that, they would sure as shit have to answer for it, maybe not criminally (but maybe so), but they would never EVER associate with us again. Coming from a fairly with-it college student (my group is frat-ier than the frats) this is not a prank, it is disgusting and vile.
This is pretty much spot on. The behavior is extremely offensive on a lot of different levels, but (IMO) it’s the the aggressive alphaesque male domination aspect of this sort of behavior that’s causing most of the consternation in this thread.
i’d like for those who’d write it off as a stupid prank consider if their opinion might be changed if the teabagee/dickwhippee is conscious to put up a fight?
In Ohio, you get charged with “gross sexual imposition”, but maybe you can plead the charges all the way down to disorderly conduct. (A charge which often results in a slap on the wrist.)
I agree with you. Humiliating pranks are scummy things to do. Teabagging an unconscious girl is also a scummy thing to do.