Shakespeare Mafia -- Act II

Yes. And unless something really screwy is going on or there are 4 scum instead of 3, my health doesn’t matter toNight.

Sorry for being cryptic, but if I share my information now we’re going to have a very long day with nothing happening. But also assuming the redirector isn’t Town, I just realized scum know exactly what I know.

I guess I should ask if you guys want me to share it right now. You can just informally vote yes or no. Going out with my daughters for a while but I’ll check back in around 5 pm Eastern. If the majority want me to share it I will.

I vote yes. We have a large bolus of new information and lots of time to analyze it - best to get everything we have on the table (as long as it’s not something that you think could help the Villains) - to get the most out of the time we have (if we spend three days discussing something and then your information changes it, it’s going to result in another hurried end of Day as we rush to process the new info).

No, telling would dry up the conversation. I’m for keeping it until later in the Day.

Also no because Angel may be lying. I don’t think so, but I’ve been fooled before.

Telling only dries up the conversation if Angel has the identity of a Villain confirmed, which I think is unlikely based on what she’s said so far, and if we are collectively certain that Angel is exactly what she claims to be - which we are not.

Also no because Angel may be lying. I don’t think so, but I’ve been fooled before.

If Angel is lying, the worst time to hear her testimony is late in the Day with little time to actually probe it. I should think this possibility would make you more, not less, inclined to hear from her sooner.

Triple posting to say: I am not accusing Angel of lying! I have no particular reason to doubt her but no particular reason to accept her claims uncritically. A name cop would have value to the Villains as well as to the Town - maybe even more, since the distinction between a Minor and Major character is a bit easier to guess than the distinction between Villain and non-Villain for some character names (Is Malvolio a villain? Shylock? Othello?).

I’m not lying (I get the paranoia but my brain is not capable of making up a scheme this convoluted) and I believe I have the identity of two Villains, not one. (The result I received was a Villain, and it was redirected off of a different player, a player I previously implied I was not suspicious of, so I believe that player is a scum redirector who was trying to buy time).

Also, the player whose result I did get is known to troll the thread when he’s an outed scum. It is difficult to discuss things when he does this. :joy: (I say this with love, it’s quite an impressive act.)

This is a good point (about having to guess what the result means). My actual result said the player’s name and that he was a main character, but not that he was a villain.

I looked it up because it’s a play I’m unfamiliar with, and the consensus was that this character is a villain.

So, using Iago as an example…Iago is both a main character and a villain. That’s how I read my result, but I suppose I could be wrong.

Nevertheless, when two players are revealed, their activity from yesterday plus the redirection, it looks to me like they are both scum.

If you have info on both remaining Scum, that’s probably worth the risk of drying up the conversation, but i know for a fact you’re capable of lies much bogger than this.

That’s a compliment, btw.

You targeted someone and then got a result for someone else? Interesting. I’d guess there is a scum redirector.

I have to say Chronos. I’m really liking this game. It’s got an extra flair of wine.

I have so many more thoughts but I don’t know what’s the wine and what’s not. I guess I’ll take another gulp for now.

Hm. I remain firmly in camp reveal. I see very few disadvantages at this point - if you’re actually right and have identified two Villains in one package, the game may be effectively over at this point (unless there are 4 Villains, which feels pretty unlikely to me), which obviates concerns about drying up the conversation.

But it’s probably worth giving everyone ample time to discuss the two different arms of your claim:

  1. Whether the name you identified is unambiguously that of a Villain
  2. Whether your deductions regarding the player you originally targeted hold water

We also have a vig potentially. We can eliminate the first one to test your theory and then if the vig plays along kill the second at night.

That’s if it’s a friendly vig and Pard wasn’t a bomb.

I am thoroughly and completely confused. Both Townies and Villains are present in the Act threads, but apparently there is a private Villain chat because of @SunUp’s post in reply to my “What’s next?” query in Act 1 –

Night has fallen, and the villains are chatting to see who they decide to off. We’ll find out at sunrise who they took out, and then start figuring our next move.

– in which only the Villains participate (probably through PMs) … am I right?

This would mean that the Villains know who they are themselves, and everybody else is Town – and the Villains would know that too. Sounds to me like the Town has a distinct disadvantage here.

-“BB”-

Yes, it’s standard for Villains to have their own chat room. It is an advantage for them. Often, however, they can only use it at Night.

The villains need to have some way to coordinate their vote on who to off. Consider the live version of the game, where the GM tells the villains to wake up, then they gesture among themselves to decide who to kill, and once they come to an agreement the GM puts them back to sleep.

I would think that using the private chat only at night would make things a bit more fair for the town.

Yes, that’s right. I believe I targeted the scum redirector and he redirected me onto another player who is scum.

But let’s play that through AotN. Why would a scum redirector point you to another scum? That doesn’t seem likely.

If they were worried you were a cop why wouldn’t they point you to town or to the player they weee killing?

Something seems off in that play.

More likely you are the scum redirector and you are using your power as an excuse.

We can test your theory by yeeting one of your choices, but something feels fishy here

I was thinking the same thing. I can’t think of any powers where it would benefit a villain to redirect it to another villain. That’s assuming they aren’t told the specific power they are being targeted with. Is that normal? And would they be told who targeted them? Hopefully not, since that would give them very useful information.

Would the other player be told what power they were being targeted with?

I was intending to delete that last line, but I won’t, since we were told not to edit posts. Long day.