This is somehow better if it’s Muslims killing Muslims? 
Am I correct with the following?:
Muslims doing the killing = Fits into your worldview and is easy to explain to yourself.
Non-Muslims doing the killing = Scary and confusing.
Fairly inconsistent, as an attack on muslims by muslims is not an attack on the Muslim Faith.
Just fellow religious killing other members of their religion, which is almost a defining characteristic of [ young ] religions.
And ‘young’ because Islam is about 600 years younger than christianity, and has not yet dwindled into vague benevolence and sweet reason.
A internal dispute or a violent crime (like armed robbery) that leads to killing is murder.
Random killing because you dislike the victim’s religion,sexual orientation, or ethnicity is a despicable hate crime. It’s usually prosecuted under special laws and penalties.
This was automatic weapons fire at a religious center (in Canada where automatic weapons are prohibited). Nothing about this says robbery or personal internal dispute.
Fortunately, mosques in the West have rarely been the targets of murderous violence, so it’s largely new if the motive was anti-Muslim, or intra-Muslim but resulting in such a horrific incident, in the West. And new forms of organized violence are a logical cause for greater concern, that doesn’t depend on ‘worldview’.
It’s reported one of the shooters is of Moroccan origin with a Muslim name so it doesn’t seem likely it’s strictly ‘anti-Muslim by non-Muslims’ or ‘Christian group’.
“Fits into my worldview”?? the fuck? You know nothing about me or what I think about Muslims and no, Muslims killing Muslims does not “fit into my worldview” but hey, thanks for automatically thinking the worst about people you don’t know!
An internal dispute in a group of people that turns violent and people die is bad enough. A hateful stranger randomly killing people because of their race, religion, gender or orientation is even worse.
Did I use small enough words?
A question was asked and I was answering it.
A lethal dispute between Muslims is murder. It’s a tragedy. Murder is always a horrific and violent crime.
It’s probably not a hate crime. Hate crimes are narrowly defined by law. But we don’t know enough details to really know yet. That decision will be made by the prosecutor.
I read that it would be slightly more comforting if there was some sort of history of conflict between those shot/targeted and the shooters - as opposed to just a mass shooting.
Thanks for going off the deep end. Was just asking a question about your thoughts.
So why is it better to have Muslims killing each other than the alternative?
According to this, one of these people arrested is witness and the other is a suspect.
Technically it can still be construed as an attack on the Muslim faith. It just happened to be an attack by fellow Muslims on the Muslim faith.
Trudeau is not dumb. Im fairly confident he chose his words carefully. I note he did not say something like “this attack by Christians on Muslims is a disgrace” or anything along those lines. I see Trudeau as graduating from the same Twitter academy as Donald Trump; deliberately using certain wording that can be interpreted in a variety of ways.
edit: I assume Trudeau’s comments were made at a time when the identity of the attackers were not known. His comment/tweet was suitable(and typically Trudeau-esque) for most eventualities.
Here’s a nice photo of the white Christian killer, Alexandre Bissonnette .
Don’t you feel like an idiot now for racing to conclude that since this was terrorism, it must have been perpetrated by a Muslim?
Not to worry though - the conspiracy theorists will be out in full force to peddle their lies - you will have lots to grasp onto soon.
White certainly. I have seen conflicting accounts on religion.
And this screenshot of his facebook page before it was taken down.
He makes white people look tanned.
Now dont you feel silly for automatically assuming the shooter(s) were Muslim?
ITT, people jump to conclusions while condemning others for jumping to conclusions.
Seriously, can we at least wait for the facts to come in before pointing fingers and making partisan jabs? No? Alright then, I’ll see myself out.
Apparently I didn’t use small enough words. I don’t know how I can say it in simpler terms than:
“An internal dispute in a group of people that turns violent and people die is bad enough. A hateful stranger randomly killing people because of their race, religion, gender or orientation is even worse.”
Sorry if you can’t understand that but that is still my reply. I have to believe that you do, indeed, understand exactly what I’m saying but for some reason you want to make yourself feel better by continuing to accuse strangers of having some bizarre “worldview” where Muslims killing Muslims is A-OK.
I’m done with you.
That was my (rather badly made) point. I’ll join you on the way out…
I’m devastated. Truly.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/world/canada/quebec-mosque-shooting.html
I’m making an educated guess that Reuters is right. Looking at the two names, which one is most likely to have been present in the Mosque as a bystander? Bissonette or el Khadir?
And “Allahu akbar” simply means “God is great”. Maybe it wasn’t the shooter or shooters who shouted it. Maybe the people who shouted it were worshipers who suddenly were confronting a crazy gunman and thought they were about to die.