Should Obama end Cuban problems?

The thing people have to realize is that Cuba already trades with every other country in the world. So the American market for sugar and tobacco and tourism might give them a slight boost, but not much.

There is a global market for sugar, sugar is a commodity, and even if the US dropped our embargo of Cuba they’d have to contend with the sky-high protective tarrifs that we’ve set up to keep out foreign sugar. We prop up domestic corn syrup producers and sugar farmers, this is why US Coke uses corn syrup and Mexican Coke uses sugar. Cuba can sell its sugar in Mexico, Canada, Columbia, Brazil, the UK, Spain, France, Italy, Germany, and so on, it’s not going to get a better price from the US. Once you’ve loaded your goods onto a container ship it doesn’t cost much more to ship it around the world as it does to ship it next door.

Cuban tobacco could be a good product for export, but the mystique of Cuban cigars in the US is mostly because we can’t get them. They sell cigars all over the world and the US market would only be a small part of that. But this is a much better prospect than sugar which is dirt cheap around the world. But once Americans can get Cuban cigars regularly they won’t think they’re so special. And besides, the US tobacco market is kind of shrinking.

As for tourism, well, again Cuba takes in tourists from all over the world. It’s not like the place isn’t already overrun with tourists. Except of course the government keeps all the hard currency from those tourists and the only way the tourism industry workers make money is by liberating goods from the government and bootlegging them to tourists.

We Americans somehow have the notion that Cuba is this incredibly isolated regime, and a few extra American dollars would have a profound affect on the place. But they already have a very large tourism sector consisting of Europeans and Canadians and so on. They have tons of foreign visitors, the problem is that the tourism industry is walled off from the Cuban populace so that the Cuban government can keep all the hard currency those tourists bring. And the end of the embargo won’t change that.

Those famous vintage american automobiles aren’t kept running because Cubans can’t buy new cars from the US. The real reason those vintage cars are still running is that it’s illegal for Cubans to own private automobiles, only cars that people owned before the revolution are exempt. If we allowed Cuba to buy cars from the US the effect would be precisely zero, because Cubans today could buy used American cars from Mexico or new Japanese or European cars, if only the government would allow them to and if only they had any money to buy them with, which they don’t.

Only a change in the Cuban regime do anything for the Cuban economy and the Cuban people. Oh sure, the US embargo doesn’t do any good and should be stopped on general principles. But ending it won’t change a thing for the Cuban people.

It is the poor who suffer. Their isolation will keep the masses poor but the politicians always make out.
If the intent was to show them that communism does not work ,it has not killed their government. Sadly the world wonders if capitalism works now that we have put the whole globe in recession.

If Cuban doctors are that bad, why can a graduate of Cuban Medical School get a Medical License in the US? In fact, our friends the Cubans will give any American who has the grades free medical school. The only string attached is after passing the Medical Boards, the new physician must practice for three or four years (not sure) in a poor community anywhere in the world, including the United States. I wish I was young and fluent in Spanish…

People will defend their country against external forces even if they disagree with their government. Bush has used wildly exagerated external threats to get the support of Americans. Now imagine tiny Cuba who is really being threatened by the huge American bully. There is nothing which will unite a people more. The American embargo serves to unite the Cuban people behind their government. It is a classic case of American foreign policy backfiring badly.

Is that true? Do you have any cites? In what states? Because I believe in Europe a Cuban doctor would be required to prove his capacity and would certainly not be given any license just because he was a doctor in Cuba.

So why are the Cuban people isolated from the Canadian and Spanish and German and Italian and French and Dutch and Belgian and British and Australian and Mexican and Chinese and Japanese tourists and businessmen?

They are isolated from these tourists on purpose, because the Cuban government wants to get its hands on every drop of hard currency those tourists bring.

Remember this. There are plenty of tourists in Cuba right now. How much are those tourists helping the Cuban people? Well, the prostitutes and tourism workers who sell stuff under the table make money. But the Cuban workers in those tourist hotels aren’t paid in hard currency, they are paid by the Cuban government and make next to nothing, just like all Cubans.

Here is a newspaper article (in Spanish) which shows Guatemala does not recognize or convalidate Cuban medical graduations: noticias - Radio La Primerisima
125 Guatemalans who graduated in Cuba returned to their country only to find out their degrees were not recognized. I doubt any state of the USA would immediately convalidate their licenses without exam or proof of capacity.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0504-03.htm

It’s not what I originally read, but close enough.

They’re still required to pass the State Boards.

If anything, I feel the embargo is propping up the Castro regime by this point. Rather than have to admit their problems are self-inflicted, they can blame any difficulties the Cuban people are experiencing on the embargo.

This may be the funniest post I have ever read on these Boards.

The embargo will not be lifted until no one cares whether the embargo is lifted. It’s great that the Cuban influence is lessening in Miami, but as long as the embargo is worth more than one hundred voted in a swing state then nothing will change.

In December 2006 the Spanish press reported the Cuban doctors treating Castro were making things worse and a Spanish doctor had been called. The Spanish doctor examined Castro and, obviously, immediately denied previous treatment had done any harm and said Castro was fine, etc.

What is the advantage of diplomatic relations?

Trade, travel, influence in reshaping Cuba, trying to isolate Chavez and it seems like the right thing to do from both the **Right **side and the **Left **side. It is smart for business and free trade and it is smart for humanitarian reasons.

It is not only diplomatic relations, it is ending the stupid embargo which is condemned by the rest of the civilized world and which strains relations with other countries due to the extraterritoriality of the Helms-Burton act. The whole thing is stupid beyond belief and just to satisfy a bunch of geriatric Cubans who live in Florida and really believe they will liberate Cuba and regain what they lost over 45 years ago. It is nuts.

I couldn’t agree more. As stated earlier, the Miami Cubans don’t have the numbers to swing Florida anymore, so that isn’t even an excuse to keep it going.

Cuba already belongs to a rival organization.

In general terms, the facilitation and encouragement of peace, friendship, commerce, comity, brotherhood, freedom, prosperity, and the hastening of the dark universal rule of Our Lord the Beast.

I don’t have a dog in this fight or relatives on either side of the fence. But if “the embargo is propping up the Castro regime,” and the embargo is lifted, do you think the Castro or post-Castro regime will collapse?

“We told you so! We defeated the Americans in only 60 years! Now just wait another decade and we’ll bring you some modern 1960’s Studebaker Larks!”

I know I am coming in a little late, but if I read all the posts correctly it seems that most agree the embargo should be lifted, good, so do I. It is stupid and archaic, and meaningless. The US already trades with Cuba in not insignificant numbers the link below has some figures and discussion:

http://www.cubalibreblog.com/2008/07/us-cuba-trade-by-numbers.html

But I have to add that those who think that US tourists will somehow force the Castro II government to change are just wrong. Tourists from all over the world, include Canada, Spain, Mexico, Italy, and others have been coming to Cuba in huge numbers since 1991. Tourists from the US have also been going to Cuba since 1979, mostly in the form of Cuban-Americans who have been allowed to travel to Cuba. Politically nothing has changed. Some Cubans have gotten access to foreign currency in the form of tips and from services, but the vast majority have no contact with tourists.

Cuba has to change from the inside, trade with the US or China or Venezuela will not do it. And the change can not come from the street, it has to come from the government, mostly because Cubans have no say in their government and the repressive nature of the regime. When Castro II first came to power there was a lot of hope, I had a lot of hope. It looked at first as though many restrictions would be removed. But a couple of years later things are the same.