First off, I don’t think any kissing should be allowed in Yearbooks., I hate seeing it in the halls of my school, let alone having to see it in my yearbook in later years. I’m not against kissing what so ever but I do think it’s a private, intimate act, not to be done in public. But if a yearbook does allow kissing in there yearbook, it would be wrong to say a girl/boy kiss is ok but not a girl/girl or boy/boy kiss. Yet that doesn’t change my opinion, especially since i am in high school, i wouldn’t want my mom oopening up my yearbook to see me and boyfriend kissing, and imagine how those girls would feel if their parents didn’t know of their sexual prefrences!
No, i would not bat an eye if a guy asked for a “romp in the sheets” if he saw me and a girl kissing; but i wouldn’t get angry either. I’d say, “Sorry, man, we’re not into that.” And then i’d continue kissing the girl.
Where do you get off thinking im prejudiced against southerners? I don’t hate them, i just think they could be a little more open minded about things.
I’m a bisexual female. I’m currently in a hetero relationship. People assume I’m hetero because I’m with a man, and that’s fine with me for the simple fact that when certain men discover I have an affinity for the ladies (CERTAIN men, not all) they start in with the idiotic “I’d like to watch that! Have you ever had a threesome? do you still sleep with women? does your boyfriend know? what does he think about it?” etc.
When is it EVER appropriate to question ANYONE else so explicitly about their sexuality and sexual activities? It’s isn’t! I really wish certain sectors of society would get over their misguided beliefs that to be a bi female means your bedroom is open for discussion.
Sorry for the little semi-OT rant there.
I personally don’t like PDA, and that includes kissing. We’re not talking cheek-pecks here, either. I don’t think any kisses (other than the friendly, nonsexual ones) should be allowed. Kissing wasn’t allowed on my school grounds either, btw.
Come on- you MUST be kidding here. Talk about ignorance.
I said:
I gave an opinion on the maturity of the kind of person who speculates about “hot lesbian action” in a thread about publishing a same sex kiss. I don’t care who turns you on or what, but it doesn’t belong in an intelligent discussion about a yearbook photo.
Zette
Why shouldn’t the same sex kiss be allowed in the yearbook? If hetero kisses aren’t allowed either, i can understand that, but if they are and gay kisses aren’t, well then there’s a problem.
I don’t think anyone should be to uptight about their sexuality, such as you Janie. Without sex, there wouldn’t even be people here to debate things. Sex is a part of human nature, so people should embrace it rather than make it a taboo topic, like the puritans have. I don’t see the point in getting angry at someone who confronts you about your sexuality. It would just create more problems.
Zette, I think you make a good point here. However, a number of things have been said in this thread on a subject about which I feel rather strongly, so I hope you won’t be too angry at me for taking this opportunity to respond to them. Perhaps the appropriate thing to do would be to start another thread, but I am not sure. I am new here. In any case, I promise to also address the OT (I assume that stands for Original Topic).
First of all:
I have a theory about why this is. It is, I admit, a pretty wild and far out theory, with bizarre implications if it proves to be true, but the more observations I make in this life, the more and more it seems to fit the observed facts.
The theory is this:
Men and women are different.
There. Mind blowing enough for you?
But wait. I have another one:
Sexual feelings don’t have “reasons”. They just are.
That is to say, there is no “reason why” a gay man has feelings of sexual attraction to other men. He just does. It is part of who he is.
There is no “reason why” a straight man has feelings of sexual attraction to women. He just does. It is part of who he is.
There is no “reason why” a straight woman…well, you get the idea.
Exactly the same principle applies to my feelings of erotic fascination with lesbians, a feeling common to many, though not all, straight men. I did not ask to have these feelings, they are simply a part of who I am, and I am not ashamed of them. And I do not think I owe anyone an “explanation” for them, any more than you owe anyone an “explanation” as to why you are gay.
I write this in response to a number of comments posted in this thread. It would be redundant to quote them all, so I will select one as representative:
Brief and to the point :). 486 et al, please see my comments above.
One other thing:
Never is a pretty strong word, Janie. Is it morally wrong for me to be curious about people with sexualities different from my own? I got a letter from the Christian Coalition the other day, telling me that all gay sex is disgusting and perverted. I don’t think that’s right, but, well, who can I talk to who will give me an alternative opinion? That Janie seems nice, but she’s awfully sensitive when when it comes to talking about sex and sexuality, so I better not.
Please understand, I do agree that to ask someone questions like that point blank, or of a complete stranger, would be tactless and rude. But when asked of a friend or at least an acquaintance, and prefaced by something like, “Would you mind if I asked you…”, or, “Do you not like it when guys ask you about…” would you still be offended?
Finally, as to the original topic, my own theory (yes I have another one :)) is that people who kiss in public are either a) in that brief phase at the beginning of a relationship when they can’t keep their hands off each other (anyone remember the “Love Toilet” sketch from SNL?) or b) looking for attention.
In situation a) the phrase “Get a room!”, while trite and generally overused, would be nonetheless appropriate. As for b), well, if you are looking for attention, don’t be surprised if you get it
Did they ressurect Einstein from the dead? That was probably the most intelligent thing i’ve ever heard on this board. YOu explain everything clearly, but you don’t use big words to try and sound smart. Wow.
But anyways, Einstein is right. If you ask me something on this post related to this topic, look at his post.
I’m not trying to be a board cop here, and I’m not the person you need to worry about when hijacking a Great Debates thread. For what it’s worth:
Great Debates is for DEBATING the issue brought up by the original poster and subsequent replies. It’s not the place to say “hey, I’d like to see some hot lesbo action!” or turn the discussion to one about personal preferences. We have an entire forum for that called MPSIMS. In it, one can start a thread called “Hot Lesbo action and why I love it”. Everyone can then chime in with “me too!” and “hey, that’s cool!”, etc. In the meantime, I don’t think a Great Debates thread is the place for it, which is what I was trying to tell bashere.
No one is saying you can’t love lesbians, pornography, apples or oranges. But that is not what this debate is about.
Well, perhaps I will Like I said I wasn’t sure if that was apprpriate. I just really wanted to reply to some of the things that had been said here.
“I used to be with it, then they changed what it was. Now, what I’m
with isn’t it anymore and what’s it is weird and scary to me. It will
happen to you!” --Abraham Simpson
Amen to what? The idea that people should mind their own business when it comes to other people’s sex lives? Sort of like how andygirl and I would like other people to keep their noses (and other parts of their anatomy) out of the sex lives of lesbians, an idea that you disagreed with just a few posts ago?
Well. I wasn’t going to post to this thread anymore, but geez Lamia, does the bug up your butt have a bug up it’s butt? Your attitude verges on puritanical. Is it ever ok to discuss sex, or sexual feelings?
Has anyone in this thread asked you or andygirl or anyone else an innapropriate personal question? Did you read my previous post at all? Do you really find a simple statement like “lesbians turn me on” to be a personal affront?
Ooh! Ooh! I can think of one! You know, that one little itty bitty thing…continuing the species? How animals are driven to propagate, so they don’t vanish off the face of the Earth? I’ll bet you sure are glad your parents were ‘attracted to each other for no reason’.
Back on the topic, personally, I don’t mind seeing people kiss in the hallway, provided they’re not sticking their tongues down each other’s throats. A quick peck to say hello or goodbye is fine. And at my school, technically there’s no public displays of affection, but no one really enforces it.
That’s not a reason. You’re just pushing the question back a level. Why should we continue the species? From a philosophical standpoint, there is no logical reason for it; it is, like sex itself, just something we really want. From a practical standpoint, there are plenty of people, environmentalists and such, who would argue that there are already way too many of our particular species on this planet.
Furthermore, neither I nor anyone I know have ever had sex for the express or implied purpose of continuing the species. In fact, when I have had sex it has been with the simultaneous purpose of avoiding…ummmm…“continuing the species”, as it were.
Also, by singling out heterosexual sex as having a special value not accorded to other kinds of sex, you are being Politically Incorrect, and I am surprised no one on this board has called you on it.
I don’t believe that I or andygirl have said anything about people talking about sex in general, or even asking people questions about their sex lives. What I have a problem with is men who act like lesbians were put on earth for their personal entertainment. There are many circumstances where it is okay to discuss sex or sexual feelings, but I do not think it is ever okay or even remotely acceptable to ask a stranger or casual aquaintance if you can watch her and her girlfriend have sex. What I find to be a “personal affront” is the idea that any woman known to be attracted to other women deserves to be subjected to that sort of treatment, an idea which your little friend quite clearly expressed earlier in this thread. So don’t you dare try to twist this around into a bunch of uptight dykes not wanting anyone to think about sex.
Sigh Ok, first off, I never used the word “dyke” in any of my posts, and for you to even imply that I have is crude.
Second, you say: “I don’t believe that I…have said anything about people talking about sex in general, or even asking people questions about their sex lives.”
Yet, just a few posts ago you said: “I don’t think it’s really necessary for there to be “man, I’d love to see that!” comments at any allusion to physical involvement between two women.”
The phrase “man, I’d love to see that!” sounds like a pretty innocuous “sex in general” type comment to me. It is not even a question, much less a question to you about your own personal sex life. Yet you take offense at it.
Also, in another post, you said “…I would like other people to keep their noses (and other parts of their anatomy) out of the sex lives of lesbians…” which would seem to contradict the part in the last post where you said “…or even asking people questions about their sex lives.”
So which is it? Is it rude for us to ask you questions about your sex life, or not, bearing in mind that none of us actually have?
Third, you said: “…I do not think it is ever okay or even remotely acceptable to ask a stranger or casual aquaintance if you can watch her and her girlfriend have sex.” Has anyone in this thread, or on this board for that matter, made such a request of you?
Finally, you said: “What I find to be a “personal affront” is the idea that any woman known to be attracted to other women deserves to be subjected to that sort of treatment, an idea which your little friend quite clearly expressed earlier in this thread.”
I believe he said something to the effect that women kissing each other in public might reasonably expect to be gawked at and/or propositioned, to which I added that anyone kissing in public is likely looking for attention anyway.
Neither of us ever said or implied that “…any woman known to be attracted to other women deserves to be subjected to that sort of treatment…” Remember, this whole thread got started as a debate about a public display of affection, and reactions to it.
One more thing. I have never met my “little friend” in person. For all I know he is a 6’6" linebacker.
