“Obama, he’s a piece of shit. I told him to suck on my machine gun. Hey Hillary [Clinton], you might want to ride one of these into the sunset, you worthless bitch.”
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Really? Maybe less ridiculed on the left. Anyway, you’ll have to take it up with Ted “relevant” Nugent as it was his notion.
Only if the front sight is filed off, and sanded. Otherwise, its kind of perverted.
Oooh. Snap.
No, the post I quoted says ‘credibly accused’. Since he has not been convicted or even charged, my statement is correct.
No. Because allies should stand together.
What the hell are you talking about? I said nothing about criminal charges or conviction. And why didn’t you respond to my post? I stated facts and one entirely reasonable opinion. I don’t need criminal convictions or charges to state my opinion about the credibility of the accusations. Further, it’s a fact that Trump bragged about sexual assault and violating the consent of women.
Did Nugent say this before or after he was invited to the White House? Urbanredneck or Huricane Ditka, do you know?
Eighteen women have accused Trump of sexual assault.
So he has been accused. Accused does not mean convicted or even charged. He has been accused.
You will have to tell us what the bar is for “credible” in your opinion. Note that many of these women made these allegations looong before Trump ran for president.
No, your statement is not correct. Trump himself admitted on camera to committing sexual assault. That’s far beyond the standard for ‘credibly accused’.
Obviously, he’s never been charged or convicted, so the allegations are not credible. On that note, neither have been Weinstein or Franken, so they’re free and clear to do whatever they want as well, right?
Yeah, it’s not like Trump’s a celebrity or has any Hollywood connections or anything like that. No sirree.
Weinstein has been charged.
And, no, democrats should not distance themselves from Hollywood because DeNiro said “fuck Trump”. Everyone should say fuck Trump.
So let me see if I have this straight. You shouldn’t charge somebody unless there is a credible allegation against them. And no allegation is credible until the person has been charged.
Your statement in response to that post was:
Now, the fact that he has not been convicted means that one cannot [validly] state that he has been convicted.
And the fact that he has not been charged means that one cannot [again, validly] state that he has been charged.
Neither of those facts means that one cannot state that people have accused him of those things, particularly when it is a matter of public record that people HAVE said he did them (and in certain instances, he has claimed to have done them).
You appear to be asserting that adding the modifier “credibly” to the fact of the public accusations changes the meaning of “accused” to “officially charged and/or convicted.” This is a preposterous position to take. There are two (and ONLY two) requirements for making a statement that a credible accusation has been made. The first is that an accusation has been made (it has). The second is that the accusation be credible, (and not necessarily in a court of law, or in a Grand Jury’s hearing, or even in a criminal investigator’s office. Credible to a reasonable observer who learns particulars of the accusation is perfectly sufficient [it is]).
Ignoring this pointless and stupid sidetrack (no, it’s not credible at all when a man who bragged about sexual assault gets accused of it by 18 different people, of course not, please stop dignifying incredibly stupid claims like this with a response)…
What the democrats do to distance or buddy up with hollywood is likely to have astonishingly little impact on what those celebrities think. You think Pelosi or Clinton or anyone else asked DeNiro nicely to stand up and say “Fuck Trump”? Obviously not. The man had a loudspeaker and an opinion, and he used that loudspeaker. Hell, if I was in his position, I might have been a bit more genteel about it, but I would have done much the same.
Meanwhile, who is this affecting?
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[li]People who care about politics? Ha, as if - they already have their opinions on Trump, and DeNiro being a bit mean isn’t likely to change that (as the above twitter thread pointed out, if you’re aware that Trump has been credibly accused of sexual assault by over a dozen people and still consider someone saying “fuck Trump” to be an issue even on your radar, you’re probably a hardline partisan and don’t care about Trump committing sexual assault anyways).[/li][li]People who don’t really care about politics but do care about celebrity culture? Congratulations, they just got exposed to the fact that a celebrity they may or may not like really hates the president. In fact, they get that message from most of the celebrities they’re exposed to. How is this a bad thing? DeNiro is just doing what countless people do on twitter every fucking day - the difference is that he has a huge reach and a massive audience who hang on his words. [/li][li]People who don’t really care celebrity culture? Why do they care what a celebrity has to say about politics to begin with?[/li][/ul]
The fact that people with huge numbers of fans and a big megaphone are consistently spreading a pro-democrat, anti-republican message is almost certainly not a bad thing.
And of course, it kinda goes without saying that republicans have celebrities supporting them, and that many of those celebrities are fucking nutjobs in ways that make DeNiro look like fuckin’ Neil DeGrasse Tyson - say what you will about “Fuck Trump”, but it’s a far cry from “If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will be either be dead or in jail by this time next year.” or “susan rice is a man with big swinging ape balls”. But I have yet to see anyone demand that the republican party divulge itself of, say, Tim Allen, so…
I’m just taking Quartz’s logic to it’s inevitable conclusion.
In case Urbanredneck doesn’t know, I’ll answer this. He said it before. And rather than finding Republicans distance themselves from him, he found them embracing him. So much so that the gal he attended the White House with was the same gal who was the Republican vice presidential candidate running against Obama.
I don’t think the Democrats distancing themselves from Hollywood would make a damn bit of difference to anything.
OTOH, I’d really like celebrities to stop using their brief moments in front of the global media to hold forth on whatever’s on their minds, particularly if it’s nothing constructive.
To say this at a time when the Republicans are openly embracing somebody as vile and repugnant as Trump, is laughable.