I categorically reject the idea that men at any point in time were raised to view marriage and relationships the way women have traditionally been brought up through media, toys and societal expectations.
Of course not; women were also fed a lot of nonsense about being submissive and their own inferiority, plus of course they didn’t have much legal ability to live free on their own. However, men most certainly have been told that their duty is to “find a good woman and marry her”; and have children with her to “carry on the family name”.
It makes no difference to me what the lady looks like. If they can get a 16 or 17 year old interested then go for it. Most 16 year olds get stiff when the wind blows. 
Raging hormones are to blame.
I met a 33 year old lady when I was a sophomore in college. I owe her so much for teaching me about sex. I was a typical naive 19 year old with only one previous high school gf. I knew nothing about giving massages, foreplay, cunnilingus or even pacing myself during intercourse. 3 mins and I was done. Thank goodness she was patient and got me clued in. We shared an apartment for my senior year and she was a junior that had returned to finish her degree.
I had learned a lot by the time I met my wife. Sex was one thing we didn’t have to figure out. 
We had enough marriage stress with careers, getting our first mortgage, having kids and raising them.
People should have sex when they want to have sex, as long as it’s with other people who also want to have sex. This prudish approach to how sex should be disseminated* is what’s cocking it up* for us all. If we were properly brought up about the hows and whys of sex instead of treating it as precious and sacred, or dirty and crude, we’d go into it* properly informed and more careful.
Same with drinking alcohol, really.
*Puns not intended. Honest.
I’ve never called Jimmy Saville a paedo, in fact I’ve argued agaisnt that. I’ve called him a mollester. And as the evidence has been coming in, probably a rapist too.
The point about the female teacher / male student thing is that if it happened it would be extraordinarily unlikely to be abusive at that age. Furthermore, it would be very unlikely that the female teacher was a pedarest who had gone into teaching to abuse boys. It would just be something that happened. Either two circumstances happen - it lasts a long time, or it doesn’t. In the former, then there is a stable relationship that the state shuldn’t interefere with, and indeed I believe this has occurred with some of the most famous female teacher “predators”. In the latter case, it’s basically teaching the young lad how to be a better lover. Had FEMALE teachers come on to me as a fourteen year old, if I wanted to fuck them then I would have done and if I didn’t then I’d have blackmailed them for their job. We should all be so lucky!
I find it implausible that female teachers will be seeking out vulnerable boys who would actually be damaged by sex.
The “relationship” is by definition abusive, for all the reasons explained before in this thread. Teachers are not in an equal power relationship, and when two parties are not in an equal relationship one of them is being taken advantage of, and there are good reasons why this is a bad thing.
I’m not sure why you are playing semantics over the “paedo” vs “molester” tag, it amounts to the same thing (unless you’re one of those “ephebophile” pedants). Savile used his position of authority to abuse girls and a teacher who sleeps with their pupils is using their authority to abuse those children.
I don’t think it’s all that different for male teachers. They often are just overcome by the attention offered from a young woman. And considering the number of cases of female teacher/male student coming to light, in a likely under-reported type of situation then I don’t think it’s fair to draw broad distinctions like this.
The point is not that an older woman is having sex with a younger boy. If both parties are above the age of consent, sure, go in with all flags flying.
It’s the fact that TEACHERS SHOULD NOT BE SLEEPING WITH THEIR STUDENTS. At all. There is too much power differential there. There is too much opportunity for one to unduly influence the other. You cannot just remove the power balance and say it’s just sex, because the whole damn reason the two parties know each other is because of the teacher-student relationship. No teacher can fairly grade a student whom he or she is sleeping with. Universities prohibit teacher-student relationships for this very same reason, even when university students are above the age of consent, and in the case of grad students, may be the same age as the prof.
Is that the same as rape though? I agree that students and teachers should not be having sex with each other.
A child cannot legally consent to sex, so that deals with the pupils who are below the age of consent.
An imbalance in the power relationship opens up someone, even above the age of consent, to coercion, which means that consent is put in doubt.
So, yes, it may well be rape.
Boys can certainly be damaged by sex if, for example, she gives him a raging case of herpes he wasn’t savvy enough to recognize or know how to prevent. I think you guys are mixing up the fantasy of having the hot teacher hitting on you because you are so alluring, and not the reality of the teacher using fear and power to manipulate you because she knows you would be an easy victim.
There are female sexual predators. They may not be classic pedophiles, but there are women who get off on mixing up sex, emotional manipulation, and power. There are plenty of women who serious personality defects that keep them from developing healthy and equal relationships. And it’s not high school kid’s business getting mixed up in that. Leave them alone.
If it is “just a thing that happened” and it is somehow, against all odds, a loving and caring relationship, it’s not that hard to wait until he’s in the safe zone. True love should be able to last a few years, and she should be generous enough to give him those years to develop fully as a person. The teen years are a time of rapid change (as anyone who teaches that age group knows) and a caring partner would want their loved ones to have the freedom to develop without the pressure or manipulation that comes with an unequal sexual relationship. I know I’d want that for my own family members. Why wouldn’t I want that for the love of my life?
I was a teacher for years, and I had all kinds of students come on to me (often in their early twenties). Sometimes they were young and horny. Sometimes it was a misplaced plea search for affection. Sometimes it was genuine attraction. Sometimes it was adolescent puppy love. It doesn’t matter. They were my students. They are not on the table as sex partners. If I really need to have sex with someone, there is a whole world of people out there who I don’t have an inherently unequal relationship with to get it on with.
Well in a theoretical sense.
But let’s face it, if you imagined that all sexual relationships the “lesser” partner thought in a typically male way and the “less-lesser” (lol) partner thought in a typically female way, then there would basically be no such thing as rape and sexual abuse and so on.
Ingnoring rape for the time being, by which I mean non-conseual as understood by both parties at the time, the modern reason (as opposed to old fashioned things like women as property and stuff) that we have all these rules is the way that said “lesser” partner can regret it later on and/or feel coerced into doing it at the time but not be that fouseed on their coercion, but later come on to recognise it in the future.
If you apply that logic to the different types of teacher/pupil relationships it’s perfectly obvious that they are very different. If you start letting male teachers go after teenage pupils you are going to have a disaster on your hands. The other way around, not so much.
I don’t think teachers should be allowed to ‘go after’ students at all. I am arguing that the perceived difference in these ‘relationships’ based on gender is not as great as people believe.
So many words, so much bollocks.
If you are in a relationship with a “lesser partner” there is something wrong.
Ah, the warm and tender instruction from an older woman to an eager young pupil.
How fucking romantic.:rolleyes:
It that dictum had been followed, my grandmother (student) would not have married my grandfather (teacher).
I think I get what you’re saying. The whole, “Hot for Teacher” stereotype, correct? That what I think most people automatically think of when they hear of female teachers having sex with their students.
That’s nice.
Hear, hear!
You are correct. Not all female teachers who have sex with their students are hot women in their 20’s eager to instruct a mature teenage boy in the ways of love. Some of them aren’t even interested in boys.