“on an intellectual level”
I don’t enjoy it on an intellectual level. I’m in it for the freakshow. I make no apologies for it.
That struck me too but I forgot to mention it. I think it says a lot for The Littlest Jordan and her mother that she has that sort of attitude.
Oh, and something else I forgot, what was up with the pageant mother who didn’t want her child to be photographed? Excuse me, but you’ll trot her out on a stage in front of hundreds of people but you don’t want her to get exposure in a national TV show? Seems like a big ol’ disconnect.
Last night, for example, I was sitting on Ralph Waldo Emerson and my wife was lounging on Socrates, so it was fascinating.
Actually, I do feel a bit bad watching the show. However sad and pathetic I find the people, I honestly do not believe it amounts to child abuse. The closest thing would be the Tyes, and I would never equate that to child abuse. Granted the children are not treated perfectly at all times, but it’s far from abusive.
Another, more esoteric rationale, is that my viewing does not encourage these people to act differently. On the contrary, I think the amount of press and responses these families get from normal people may actually help them do better by their children. Maybe FlufferNutter will realize he’s putting himself before his family. Maybe MamaTye will quit with the pageants when she sees how she’s being protrayed on the show. Who knows.
I will fully admit it is a guilty pleasure. But I really don’t think it does any harm watching it.
I forgot something in my previous post. Did anyone else notice the moving truck in the preview of the next episode? Looks like either the Barrons are moving to Colorado (leaving Jordan behind?) or the Nutters are moving back to Vermont. Which do you think is the most likely?
Ghawd… this is the second episode of this show I’ve seen, and I can’t decide which is more disgusting, this or The Swan.
Anyway, some observations and advice:
Mrs Tye: Those “pageants” you take your daughter to are nothing more than con games designed to suck your money out of your banking account. They do nothing for her “career.” And You are white trash.
TeenJordan’s Mom: So are you. Did it ever occur to you that your daughter wasn’t called to the set for her scene because somebody didn’t want her there – probably Ms Fleiss. Or maybe it was because they didn’t want to be busted by the feds for having a topless underage actress on their set. D-freakin’-Uh!
Oh, and your new internet hubby is boning someone else in Colorado. Otherwise you’d see him more than once every six months.
Shame’s Mom: You need perspective. Your son is a talentless poser modeling himself after the current crop of talentless posers whose premiere poser (Justin) I (Timberlake) won’t mention by name. Oh, and I lived in Florida with my dad who does have talent, and the showbiz community there is run by conmen and posers who make a living out of lying and decieving people — gee, just like they lied to you about the whole stadium thing. And I bet if they promised you money, you didn’t see a dollar of it, now did you?
Even Disney Corp will screw you. Leave. Florida is populated by two kinds of people: hustlers and victims. Which are you?
Mr Nutter: It’s obvious the only person with any showbiz desire is you. Just stop resisting, and fulfill all your fantasies at once. Send your family back to Vermont, move to San Francisco, and start a career in pornographic gay musical kabuki theatre.
Finally, to Little Jordan’s Mom: Bless you woman. It’s clear you have some sense about this whole showbiz mess and it appears your family is the only example on this program where the child is the one with the aspirations, and you are her support. And you manage to do it well while still providing her with a wholesome, balanced family life.
I’m really looking forward to “The Aftermath” episode on Weds. the 19th, when all the families show up to defend themselves: “We were misrepresented! It was the editing!!”
I taped last night’s show and just watched it. :eek:
God, it just gets worse and worse, doesn’t it? Father NutterButter is off his freaking rocker. Poor Grace just wanted him to listen to her, that she doesn’t want to act and doesn’t want to live in NYC, and he didn’t hear her AT ALL. He’s jusy delusional.
Eve, you’d know: isn’t it somewhat illegal for that many people to be crammed into a 2-bedroom apartment? Where are they all sleeping? All the girls in one room and all the boys in another, and Mom and Dad on the couch?
They ought to sigh up for TLC’s Clean Sweep, from the looks of the place. Geez, what a dump. Dad’s home all day while Mom works, and he’s playing with the cat and cutting out pictures. Pick up the laundry and wash some dishes, would ya?
I’ll skip church, but I want to go have Sunday dinner at Little Jordan’s house. Homemade mac & cheese all crusty brown on top and that banana pudding with the vanilla wafers? Yummy.
I did feel somewhat sorry for Teen Jordan, getting cut from the movie like that, but, hey, them’s the breaks, kid. And the mom and her husband… strange set-up there. I think he’s sick of Jordan calling the shots and wants his wife to be with him in Colorado. I think it’s her in the moving van in the shots from next week. I think he gave her an ultimatum, “me or the kids.”
And poor Shane, thinking he’s going to perform at the stadium and it’s really a tent at the county fair. I was trying not to laugh. And he was just awful at that audition. I mean, really awful.
The Tyes: yikes, the family dynamics are so screwed up. Debbie talking about how they want to see happy families and so forth, and then ripping her MIL a new one for letting a box fall out of the van. My God, what a mess.
And the money they must spend… I can’t even imagine.
I can’t wait till next week.
I think that if Big Jordan was really interested in acting, she would take better care of her face. I know acne is normal for teens, but she needs to either be scrubbing her face better or taking somethng–at least if she wants to act.
I do get the feeling that it’s Mom that wants Jordan to be an actress, and now that Jordan is not taking off and becoming an overnight star, she’s turned her attention to the younger sister (Steffanie?). and she’s not going to have a husband much longer if she doesn’t go back to Colorado (the preview shows a moving van–could that be this family?).
I’m not a teen-aged girl, but I don’t even think Shame is cute. I see him as having a therapist appointment every week for most of his life, and either living with his Mom forever, or at some point, moving out and never speaking with her again.
Nitpick: they’d been married for six months. They hadn’t seen each other in two.
Not to mention he came this close to putting kitty’s eye out with that scissors!!
Hey I hope you meant that in reference to the entertainment biz in Florida. That’s a pretty general statement to make about all Floridians.
When watching this show, I check my brain at the door.
Actually, I heard Fredo’s voice in my head, only with the wording slightly modified:
“It’s art! Not like everybody says… like porn … I’ts art and it wants respect!”
It’s just dawned on me that Isaiah Nutter looks like a young Bryan from Queer as Folk. Or am I just all wet?
Well, that’s typical for a teen girl: vague threats of reprisal with no intention of follow-through. But overall, I think her petulance is healthy, more so than denial. When she showed up on “set” and saw no extras, even though her “scene” was to involve extras, she knew right away, and accepted, that she had been boned. Whereas Debbie K. would have found someone to storm up to and bray that if the production couldn’t get it together, she would just have to take her precious son and his infinite talent somewhere else. It should be an easy transition when she decides that acting is not going to happen for her.
bughunter, that’s a good point about the production not wanting to get busted for underage nudity. I just figured it was a simple matter of her one line not mattering one way or the other, but you’re probably right.
I’ve only watched last nights show in the series, but it was a doozy. Why do so many people posting here, and on the Television without Pity thread on the show think Daddy Nutter and Shane are pegging the Gaydar meter?
THey are a little …umm…“fey” in their mannerisms, but isn’t that SOP for showbiz folks?
Shame has never tripped any meter of mine other than the grotesquerie meter.
FlufferNutter OTOH was the first image of the show outside of previews that I saw and my immediate thought was “what is that gay man doing on this show?”
Not that I have any vast experience with “show biz folks” to know what their SOP is, but everything about him screams “gay” to me. I rarely get that sort of impression off other show biz folks and I can’t think of too terribly many of them who come off “fey.”
Your’re right “fey” isn’t the right word.
I believe it was someone on the Television Without Pity forum who said that Pa Nutter was so far in the closet that if he took one step backwards, he’d be in the mystical land of Narnia.
Shane’s just a young gawky teenage guy who spends too much time with his mom. He showed lots of interest in the little girls who “wanted” (read: were hounded by his mother into asking for) his autograph in a previous episode.
Heads up!
Someone linked me to a preview of tomorrow’s episode. Shane sings, and amazingly, he doesn’t sound terrible. I mean, he still doesn’t sound good, but he’s not outright embarrassing himself like he did in last week’s episode.
Also, yesterday Mr. Rilch found last week’s show on our DVD-burner hard drive.
Mr. Rilch: Sweetie, what is this?
Me: [explains]
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Mr. Rilch: That guy (Nutter) is so gay.
Me: Everybody says that.
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Mr. Rilch: I can’t tell if the little girl is actually good, or just seems good compared to Snatch Queen (Jordan Barron).
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Mr. Rilch (watching Shane perform at the county fair) Sweetie… [runs hand over face] I take back everything I ever said about John Stevens.
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Mr. Rilch: Oh man. If any of those girls (Shane’s backup dancers) were my daughter, I’d never let anyone talk to her like that. (“Go run back onstage! Go run back onstage! GORUNBACKONSTAGE!!!”) What are they doing this for? What’s he doing this for?
Me: To get famous. Either as a singer, or if that doesn’t work out, as a dancer, or if that doesn’t work out, as an actor, or to…take over on Animal Planet after Steve Irwin finally gets eaten by a croc. Doesn’t matter how he gets famous, just so he does.
Mr. Rilch: He’s not ready yet. He’s how old? 13? When I was 13, I thought I would be able to send my high school transcripts to Starfleet Academy. At his level of ability, what he needs to do is just do modeling—'cause he’s got a cute face, I’ll give him that—save his money and take classes in acting or singing or whatever, and then go into the business after high school.
Me: Yeah, but then he’d be too old to be the next teen idol.
Mr. Rilch: :rolleyes: In order to get famous at 13, you have to start, and get to a professional level, before you’re 13.
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Mr. Rilch: Why’s it so insulting that Heidi Fleiss called Snatch Queen a smartass? I thought it was supposed to be a compliment!
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Mr. Rilch: Pageants. There just are no words.