It leaves out some important folks who were members only briefly; that was its chief failing (if we’re talking about the same site). Judging from the cover of JLA/Avengers #3, the all-time JLA Roster is a little over a hundred folks. (at the time of that publication - since then, not too much has happened, other than the introduction of Justice League Elite.)
:: blink :: So who did? Magneto was a grown man with a wife when he was in the camps. Or did they change his origin again?
Anyway, I’ve always felt that you need a few ground-rules in this sort of discussion: [ul]
[li]The “No “Bat-Shark Repellant” rule”: Just because a character could have something, unless it’s something they use, say, every third issue, you can’t have it. Yeah, Bats could have a “Bat-Stop Dark-Phoenix dingus” (like Beast used on her in #135) in his utility belt…but let’s be real. he doesn’t. Or he’d have a “Bat-teleport-Joker-back-to-Arkham-every-time-he-steps-inside-Gotham-City-Limits” dingus too. [/li][li]The “They have to stay in character” rule–this stops Superman Earth-1 from throwing a neutron star at light-speed into whatever planet the opponents are on. Supes doesn’t kill.[/li][li]The “Trivia geeks be damned” rule–yeah, I can probably pull “One-Time Ever” powers that characters had just once before sanity was restored but the fact that Superman Earth-1 once (let’s say) split into 5 different Superman via “Super-concentration” (I just made this one up) or “Superman Earth-1 can transmute elements by rubbing his hands on them really quickly” (I didn’t make this one up–he turned gold into lead to protect himself from Kryptonite) and never did it again argues against allowing the ability (Ditto with the "Nightcrawler becomes transparent in shadows (X-men 101 0r 2–you could actually see through him and ditto with the “Aquaman’s telepathy can knock people out by affecting the “fish part” of their minds.” silliness). If they don’t use the power fairly regularly (say, as frequently as Invisible Woman uses the “Turn invisible things visible” power), they can’t have it.[/li][li]The “reasonable upper limit” rule–Mimic clearly has an upper threshold of what he can duplicate since, if he didn’t, he wouldn’t get his ass kicked so often. This also goes for the super-powered magical “If he’s prepared” Batman. Gotham’s not a paradise and the JLA still has fight scenes, Batman can’t do anything he wants or beat any foe, even if he’s prepared.[/li][/ul]
Given that,
On the JLA vs the X-Men,if you can pick-and-chose members, then the JLA wins easily UNLESS you include the original “Power doubles every time she uses it” Phoenix from say Uncanny #108-137. Then it becomes a contest (mainly “Can the modern Martian Manhunter shield the Earth-1 Superman’s mind when he’s moving as fast as light to knock her out before she turns him to tapioca? And can The Mimic duplicate Superman’s abilities?”)
If you have to choose coherent teams as they appeared in the books, it’s still a good fight–Let’s pick what I consider the “Classic” JLA–from JLofA 120-180 say (sattlite era). We lose the Martian Manhunter, but gain the Earth-1 Superman, the Earth-1 Flash, we lose the current magic-based Batman (who apparently has precog powers–the “always prepared” bit! 
) but gain the world’s greatest detective, and a sane character, plus we add Firestorm, Zatanna (a wimped out one but still) and Phantom Stranger.
IMO, the strongest X-Men incarnation was the Byrne/Claremont one–they had a level of teamwork that’s never been topped…hell or even equalled, plus they have the gawdlike Phoenix, and Professor X in his toughest incarnation.
Given that, my money is still on the JLA–they just move too damned fast–even Beast moved fast enough to surprise the toughest Phoenix ever. Given that, Superman and Flash alone can take out most of the team.
Nicely put, Fenris. But one thing - The Aquaman ‘fish brain’ stunt has become a semi-regular part of his abilities. The impression I get is that his recent work with J’onn in the JLA has allowed him to hone his telepathic powers.
Fenris:
So far as I know, Magnetos origin has been retconned into him being the concentration camp 
As far as I know, they made him a kid in the concentration camps to avoid an old Magneto. Heck, Xavier may have lost the us of his legs in his tour in Vietnam.
Personally, I think Xavier would have little problem with Batman due to A) his time as onslaught and B)he’s just friggin powerful. Dudes been peeping in skulls for decades. When it comes to batman, he’d be ok
Fish brains?? :eek: Let’s just stick to telepathy and leave the fish out of it.
Candid:
Could you give me some info on the powers of the JLA mystics, Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, and the Angel guy. Googling loads me with the animated series. Also, does the JLA have any swashbuckling types? I need someone to go against Nightcrawler 
More later, but have to go now.
The Swashbuckling motif isn’t very prevalent amongst the Justice League, unfortunately. The best analogues would be the unpowered vigilante types, honestly; or possibly Plastic Man… off of the top of my head. If I had to pick, I’d go with Green Arrow. He definitely has a Robin Hood thing.
Blue Beetle is a Batman-style nonpowered vigilante with loads of technical wonders. He is secretly Ted Kord, a very technically advanced inventor. He’s one of the many heavy-science Leaguers, and probably is best matched against Forge - but that goes for half-a-dozen other Leaguers.
Booster Gold is an Iron Man Lite. He has a suit of powered armor - very thin in his case - that gives him a number of abilities. As I recall, I believe it enhances his strength and durability (Forcefield style), and allows him to fly. He once had a Flight Ring, but I think the flight stuff may have been internalized to his newest armor.
Zauriel is the Angel guy. While it might be tempting to load him against Warren Worthington, I think one of the five incarnations of Hawkman would be a better match for Warren. Zauriel wields a sword, so one might put him opposite the devilish-looking Nightcrawler; but I’d go with Illyana. Zauriel has few explicit mystical abilities - I believe he has a devastating sonic cry, if memory serves; he does have superhuman strength and durability, and wields a flaming sword, and has a suit of apparently super-technological armor made for him by the weaponers of Heaven. As an Angel of the Host, he is an inherently mystical being, and probably immune to disease, resistant to mind control if not immune, et cetera. And on a personal note, I think Zauriel is one of the best things about Grant Morrison’s stellar JLA run, and hope to see him in more things.
The Mystics will be posted in a follow-up.
Da Mystics.
Hal Jordan / The Spectre - Hal Jordan was a longtime member of the Justice League as a Green Lantern, before he went nuts, absorbed the main power battery on Oa, enjoyed a brief stint as a supervillain with limitless power, then died redemptively. During a DC Summer-Crossover event, nefarious forces tried to gain control of the Spectre entity, who was at that time without a host. The spirit of Jordan was attached to the Spectre, and ta-da! New Spectre. The Spectre entity has truly undefined levels of power. His origin is usually given as the manifestation of God’s Wrath - an Angel of Justice and Vengeance. Among his powers are such sundry entries as “pushing apart two giant representational globes of alternate Earths trying to merge” and “scaring the crap out of everybody but Batman” - ill-defined, otherwise. The only things that have historically been able to interfere with the Spectre on a continuing basis were ‘The Ring of Life’, as mystical widget, and ‘the Spear of Destiny’, another mystical widget. He has vast magical abilities that include banishing people, tranforming people, absorbing people and casting them into hell, etc.
Zatanna - Everyone’s favorite fishnet-wearing female. Black Canary notwithstanding. Zatanna’s abilities vary wildly with the author. When she appears in Vertigo stories, she tends to be toned down a bit, and often, I find, mischaracterized. In past mystical events, it has been suggested a number of times that Zatanna is the most powerful mortal mystic on the planet - because anything she says backwards happens. Apart from deific-level magic, the only instance I’m aware of in which her power Failed was in the latest issue of the Flash, against the Top, which I found bizarre. It may be an anomaly.
Dr. Fate - Fate’s got almost as many incarnations as Hawkman. Two of those have been members of the League, one of which was the “original”, Kent Nelson. Kent Nelson encountered the entity Nabu in the Egyptian desert, and was transformed, and granted the Amulet of Anubis and Helm of Nabu. Nabu, it seems, lives as a psychic presence in the Helm, and can whisper spells to whoever’s wearing it. The helm cannot be removed without the permission of the owner, as I recall. The spells Fate has demonstrated over the years overwhelm even Dr. Strange for variety, if not power. Nelson, even without the Helmet, has certain abilities granted by Nabu, including a telekinesis (which allows him to levitate objects and fly), Golden-Age-Superman-level Invulnerability, and enhanced strength. Nabu has been allive for millions of years, and is one of the DC entities known as ‘The Lords of Order’, which while given varying biographies, seem to be members of an alien race who evolved long before life on most other planets and plumbed the secrets of the universe, and are quite knowledgeable in magic.
The Phantom Stranger - Abilities really undefined. Death can’t stop him, as he seems to cross the boundary between life and death on a whim. Excellent website here. (I’ve even helped this guy add to his complete list of Stranger appearances.) The Phantom Stranger is a Deus Ex Machina given human form - he acts as a bridge between the realm of the cosmic/mystic and the superheroes. He appears only when needed. He seems to notice things like alterations to the fabric of reality more easily than most. He’s been given no less than four origins, none of which has been certified as the absolute truth.
So your fiancee wins!
Silver Sorceress - Basically, in a mirror image of the Avengers tussling with the Squadron Supreme, JLA knock-offs, the Justice League Europe encountered the remnants of a band of Avengers knockoffs - their parallel world had been conquered, and they fled to the DC Earth. The Thor guy died in a nuclear meltdown, but the other two, Blue Jay and Silver Sorceress, joined the JLE. Silver Sorceress’s powers aren’t really coming to me - I left off reading JLE around that era, but are presumably similar to the Scarlet Witch. Minor spells, some sort of probability hexes.
Sargon the Sorcerer - Master of the Gem of Life. Sargon’s Gem of Life is a cousin to the Ring of Life mentioned in the Spectre’s bio. Sargon has at times been heroic, at times villainous. He’s an accomplished wizard, but most of his tricks seem to center on the Gem. He’s come back from death once.
Manitou Raven - Current Shaman of the Justice League (now with the Elite branch) An Indian shaman transplanted from the past into the modern day. His abilities aren’t entirely clear, yet. He’s got potent spells, but they’re generally of a more ritualistic bent. Probably not in Zatanna or Fate’s league.
Jason Blood/Etrigan - Mortal Wizard Jason Blood was used by the half-demon Sorcerer Merlin as a host for Merlin’s half-brother, the demon Etrigan. Blood is a decent wizard, capable of casting large-scale antimagic wards on the Justice League Watchtower, in one instance. By chanting “Gone, gone, form of man/ Rise the Demon Etrigan!” he can transform into his viler half, a “rhymer” demon known as Etrigan. Etrigan seems a bit more willing to cooperate with the side of good than most demons - the theory is that the binding to Blood has somewhat ‘humanized’ his sensibilities. Etrigan is capable of spewing Hellfire, resisting powerful magics and mental effects, and has physically gone toe-to-toe with Superman and not gotten his flaming butt handed to him.
Bloodwynd - You got me. I was never clear on Bloodwynd’s abilities.
Blue Devil - Daniel Cassidy, special-effects whiz, gets stuck inside his ‘Blue Devil’ costume, and then drawn into wacky mystical hijinks. Haven’t seen much of him lately. He died once, but he got better. If I recall correctly, he’s one of the few teleporters on the JL team; he might be a good match for Nightcrawler.
The one I favor is that he is the First–the first Human spellcaster.
I prefer the “He’s the angel who wouldn’t chose sides and isn’t welcome in Heaven or Hell” origin. And actually, I love the fact that DC has said at least once that he’ll never have a “one true origin” 'cause it would take a lot of the mystery from the character and I completely agree. 
Candid–I wouldn’t allow Hal/Spectre–first, if he’s there, the JLA wins. The end. No second chance. Dark Phoenix with the Cosmic Cube and the Ultimate Nullifier couldn’t stop him (I was gonna put a winky-face here, but on reflection, I’ll stand by that statement…which is why John Ostrander’s SPECTRE run was so astounding–he didn’t wimp out the Spectre and still gave him great adventures) and secondly, as the Spectre he’s never been a JLA member, he’s been much more closely associated with the JSA.
Fenris
I like that one best, as well.
This is true, which is why I first noted him as debatable. Still, Ion’s more than enough to handle the X-Folks.
Besides, I wanted to put in the Spectre so I could describe his special vague abilities.
Now now, If you use Ion, you have to pick between red or blue superman. It won’t change the battle, but it’d be so embarassing
Well, since I’m still lacking in creativity (thank you advil cold & sinus :mad: ) I’m just gonna lay out the first part and some idears and see where things land.
Basic plot: A wager is made between a leprechaun and papa smurf as to which group of heroes is teh r0x0r. They gather their teams together and give them a quickie as to what they are facing. Both groups decide on their plans. They will put groups out in waves with the first wave being a mix of ubers and fluff to see what the enemy has.
Stylewise I tried to keep things 1v1 since these sort of comics go that way anyways. I also tried to keep things realistic as far as the characters go with power usage and strategy. Things may be a bit weak on the DC side due to my lack of knowledge.
The first waves are lead by Wolverine and Batman respectively with the intention to let the other team make the first move.
Right off the bat things go wrong when J’onn freaks when he sees the phoenix (jean grey circa a few minutes before magneto kills her for the most recent time to add drama ) because powered non earthers, even from other comics, always recognize the phoenix and go to fight it to save their team. A battle ensues and things are even for a while. J’onn moves to the astral plane where he figures he’ll have an advatage and things go his way for a while. Cue image of phoenix firebird looming large against the darkened plane. Down goes baldy
Winner:Phoenix (cosmic force beats Martian, and I want Phoenix for the ending )
For team Marvel, things go wrong when Cannonball decides to take on Superman. Yeah, it’s dumb but he did fight Gladiator so he thinks he has a shot. The battle isn’t completely one sided. Cannonballs field throws the big S for a loop once or twice, and a blast field punch manages to knock him back a step, but really…
Winner: Superman
Next up we go for the hot girl on girl action of Rogue and Wonder Woman. Rogue lands the first punch but Wonder counters with a few moves of her own and puts the southerner on the ropes. Speaking of which, she whips out her lasso to subdue and bamf Rogue ports away (skrull dna in case you forgot) The fight goes back and forth for a while with the healing factor, colossus steel, and Nightcrawlers tp (and yeah, that’s teleport ya smarties ) keeping her in the fight. In the end, Rogue bamfs behind WW and lays the bare hands on her face.
Winner: Wonder Rogue (well somebody has to give Supes a run)
I’ll put the ragin cajun against the screaming liberal as Gambit takes on Green Arrow. Arrow and cards fly but in the end, the cocky creole gets a bow to the back of the head.
Winner: Green Arrow (no real reason. I just think Gambits kind of a prick sometimes)
More girl/girl action follows as Kitty Pryde (short hair just before she left the X-Men edition) vs Black Canary. Kicks and punches fly as the martial arts mamas square off. Finally Canary lets off a sonic scream (got that info from DC website) which stuns Kitty who falls back through the ground. :eek: Kitty comes up from behind and …
Winner: Shadowcat (yeah, cat vs. bird who do you think I’ll pick )
Lastly, this groups main event…Batman vs. Wolverine. They stare and circle for a second until Bats whips a batarang knocking the cigar out of Wolvies mouth in an attempt to goad him. It works and the fight commences. Kick punch blammo newt mint. Batman gets most of the blows and manages to give the canuck a good one to the back of the adamantium laced skull. Yep, sore hand time. They go for a while longer with Batman on the defensive while he thinks. When he has Wolvy where he wants him, he uses some batropey device and wraps him up. Cue the snick. Time for round two
Winner: Neither duh. This battle you pace out. It’ll sell more books.
That’s all I’ve got for the first. Note that all survivors carry on into the next round to face more opponents so everyone still standing is still in play.
The only things I have as far as ideas for the next part (I’m thinking three rounds but a four part book) are that the mystics from DC get saved for the last round as a trump. Jean and Cyclops need to make it into the third round also.
Maybe Zauriel vs. Blue skinned razor wing Archangel, Etrigan vs. Juggernaut, Plastic Man vs. Cable. I’d put Kyle Rayner in as the Green Lantern because I like him better as a character. I’m not entirely sure what to do with the Flash or the Magneto class X’ers, but I think I’d just use Polaris and Joseph and leave Magneto out of it.
That’s all I’ve got for now. Any thoughts and suggestions would be appreciated.
Almost forgot, Green Arrow get’s put out if the next round early when Wonder Rogue, with a cry of “REMY!” streaks down and clocks 'im. She’s still free to go against in the next. Probably against Superman
Thank you, Harborwolf. That is much closer to how a fight between the two groups would work. Kythereia’s OP and clarifications were far to broad. To do this as a comic, we need to do three things:
(1) Define (and limit) the lineup to be used for each team.
(2) Define the battle pairings.
(3) Describe the battle.
I’m going to go with the cartoon pair-ups, but with their actual powers:
JLA: Superman, Batman, Flash, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Hawkgirl, Green Lantern (Jon Stewart)
X-Men: Professor Xavier, Cyclops, Wolverine, Beast, Gambit, Rogue, Marvel Girl/Phoenix (Jean Grey), Storm, Colossus.
This is 7-on-9. X-Men have had a larger lineup, but they’ll need it.
Next is the battle pairings:
Professor X vs. Martian Manhunter
Rogue vs. Wonder Woman
Phoenix vs. Green Lantern
Gambit vs. Flash
Wolverine vs. Batman
Storm vs. Hawkgirl
Beast / Colossus / Cyclops vs. Superman
How the battle would go in a comic:
Professor X vs. Martian Manhunter: Xavier attempts to give an edge to his team psychically, but is countered by Jonzz. Both enter the astral plane to do battle, effectively countering Jonzz vastly superior physicality. The fight is long and hard, but Xavier, with more experience fighting psychics, wins.
Rogue vs. Wonder Woman: As Harborwolf stated, Rogue wins, although the real winner is the guy with the video camera taping the fight.
Phoenix vs. Green Lantern: The ring, backed by a Lantern’s will, is able to turn back much of Phoenix’ psychic assault, so now the battle is physical. Lantern holds his own for quite awhile, but is no match for the Phoenix force.
Gambit vs. Flash: When Egos Collide! The only thing that saves Wally West is that Gambit is actually cockier than he is. Flash is triumphant.
Wolverine vs. Batman: Wolverine is outclassed in hand-to-hand combat and put down. However, Wolverine’s healing power allows him to blindside the Batman, who thought he had won and was going to help Wonder Woman. One adamantium fist to the back of the skull KOs the Bat for the duration.
Storm vs. Hawkgirl: The Thanagarian warrior is tactically superior to the Storm Summoner, but is undone by Storm’s raw power. Guy with video camera has now won for the second time.
Beast / Cyclops / Colossus vs. Superman: Despite throwing everything they have at Big Blue, the trio are barely able to slow the Man of Steel. Superman wins in a route.
Left standing for the X’s: Xavier / Phoenix / Rogue / Wolverine / Storm
Left standing for the JL: Superman / Flash
Round Two, Texas Tornado rules (everyone in the ring):
Unfortunately for team X, their victories were costly, as Xavier and Phoenix especially are drained from extraordinarily difficult matchups, while Superman and Flash are fresh. Lacking the focused psychic assault necessary to stop Big Blue, the World’s Fastest Man and the Man of Steel are able to overcome the numbers. Storm tries to slow Flash with an ice patch, but he is too fast for her abilities to activate (she’s more used to Quicksilver quickness) and he delivers the KO blow. Logan delivers a serious wound to Kal-El, but is then removed from the field of play by several miles (Superman has learned he regenerates, and simply tosses him out of the fight). Flash confounds Wonder Rogue; although Wonder Woman is very familiar with his tactics, Diana helps cloud Rogue’s mind in battle, and Flash manuevers her into crashing into Phoenix, who was working hard to keep Superman at bay and didn’t sense the blind-side. Unfortunately, Flash gets in the way of an attack meant for Supes, and is rendered unconscious.
Round Three, Reconciliation:
Only Superman and Professor Xavier remain, and both these goody-two shoes realize the mistake was made, and have everyone shake hands to team up against the leprechaun and papa smurf.
Okay, I’ve had some thoughts on the next round.
First off, the new people are:
DC: Faith , Etrigan, Kyle Rayner Green Lantern, Zauriel, Flash, Captain Atom, and Plastic Man
As far as Captain Atom goes, I’m pulling from the JLU cartoon. Hard to find info on DC characters. 
Marvel: Havok (current), Polaris (current slightly insane), Juggernaut (current), Storm(Current), Archangel (horseman of death razor winged), and Iceman (current ice body)
Those left standing are: Superman, Wonder Rogue, and Shadowcat. Wolverine and the bat are still busy.
From the last round, Superman and Wonder Rogue go at it. This ones a toughie for both sides. Supes has a speed advantage, but the teleportation evens it. Supes is more durable, but the healing factor and Wonder Woman’s powers even it. Truly this is a battle of gods!! Still, the southern belle doesn’t have the experience, and the super speed keeps Rogue from getting a bare hand on him.
Winner: Superman, but it’s a close win. He’s definetely had better days.
Thanks to an urgent, last second signal from J’onn, the new girl Faith goes against the Phoenix. The hope is that her calming abilities will keep the Dark Phoenix at bay and the TK may be a match. Well, he’s half right.
Winner: Phoenix again. Too much experience for the new girl to handle.
Next up, Plastic Man vs Cable. Cable puts up a good fight in this one He’s got experience and attitude to spare. At the right moment, Cable grabs his Psimitar (techno weapon capable of focusing his psi powers) and blasts the rubber band man…who blinks. It goes a while longer, but the living joke pulls it out since Cables mind powers are useless.
Winner: Plastic Man (maybe the X-Men should switch to the dish)
In the quasi-mystical titans category, we have Etrigan Vs. Juggernaut. Imagine your basic titanic slugfest. Neither one giving a thought to defense. It’s all haymakers. Unstoppable force vs…I don’t know…incredible rhymes?
Winner: Juggernaut. I’m sorry, speaking in rhymes? Take the cornball stuff elsewhere
And now…the battle we’ve all been waiting for…(okay, the leprechaun was the only one who wanted this) Green Lantern vs. Polaris. Insanity vs. Imagination. A woman with the power to control one of most powerful forces of the universe vs. an artist with some blue midgets class ring. Who will win???
Winner: Green Lantern Part of me thinks that the power to grip someone by there blood would be enough, but not enough.
In a related story, a gorilla beat Hal Jordan/Green Lantern by pelting him with bananas until he cried couldn’t help myself
Wings vs. Wings time. Archangel vs. Zauriel. A guy who named himself Angel vs. an angel. Yeah, this ones gonna be close :rolleyes: Still, this battle contains powerful implications. Wings of cold hard science vs. wings of faith. A creation of pain and death vs. a creation of love and hope. Meh, the razor wings and toxic flechettes make this fight interesting, but it’s not enough.
Winner: Zauriel. The dudes got God on his side. Like he’s gonna lose.
Time to throw some high powered energy blasts around. Havoks training is enough to keep him moving, and he can match Atom blast for blast. In the end, Havok gets a blast through that punctures Atoms silver suit. Wait, that isn’t good…
Winner: Noone. Havok’s powers are enough to keep him from being deadified. As for Atom…well, they left his tailor behind. Thankfully this battle happened far away from the majority of the action so nobody else was hurt. Isn’t that convenient.
Now we’ll move back to the main event from issue 1. Batman is trying to keep his distance from the claws and Wolverine is pressing hard. A three pack of deep shaving cuts to the ribs convinces Batman to think faster. Somehow, using his bat knotting skills he ties Wolverine so if he pops his claws to escape, he guts himself. Confident of his victory, he moves on to his next opponent. Snikt HOWL!!! :eek: Batman underestimates how crazy the canuck is and in a sec the bladed berserker is beating the bat badly.
Winner: Wolverine. Now if only we could get him off of the bat for a second. Seriously, the gothamite is gonna get gored. Little help here…
At the same time, we find Iceman and Storm battling the Flash. It’s not terribly lopsided. The lighting and ice are keeping Wally off balance and at a distance, but they can’t get a blow in edgewise. The Flash starts to work into the Icemans perimiter when he hears the howl (because *everybody always hears the howl * when Wolverine goes off. I don’t know how. They just do) He sees Woverine raise the claws over the bat for what will surely be the final blow and zips over and punches him. Of course, Wolverine is a bit heavier than he looks and quite a bit harder along the bones and the Flash staggers for a second. It’s not much, but it’s enough. Storm whips up a fog around the Iceman as Flash begins to comeback. Iceman freezes and pop…they missed. The Iceman is down for the count.
Winner: The Flash by decision, but I couldn’t figure out a way for him to get Storm, who escapes to the cleanup round. Still, Flash gets the Shadowcat as a consolation prize. He can phase too, which she doesn’t expect.
I need a break. Next up I’ll post the cleanup battles from this round.
Error–Jo’nn is centuries older than Xavier, & is a trained law enforcement officer (aka–“Manhunter”) from an all-telepathic alien society. He has been formally trained in psychic combat, & then broke new ground. Xavier falls.
Can’t argue.
Phoenix is emotionallt frail. She loses focus/power when distressed. Lantern can exploit this. My Take–too close to call. BTW–if Hal Jordan, pre-Spector, is wielding the ring, all bets are off, & it’s nap-time for birdy.
** I can’t believe you really think this. Gambit is no tougher than Captain Cold or Heatwave or Captain Boomerang. Flash in one round**
Wolvie, but not on regen. Batman will try for a bone break, & injure himself. Knockout gas & blowgun darts won’t slow him, & Logan can see in the dark as well as Batman’s nightvision gear. Point, X-men.
Can’t debate this one either
Yup
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So–
[ul]
[li]Martian Manhunter[/li][li]Flash[/li][li]Superman[/li][/ul]
Versus
[ul]
[li]Phoenix (I flipped a coin, she won. Go fig.)[/li][li]Storm[/li][li]Rogue[/li][li]Wolverine[/li][/ul]
When Byrne starts Blood of the Demon, Etrigan will cease to be a Rhymer. Again. I just pray he does it in story, rather than ignoring the last, what, 20 years of Etrigan’s history, like he did with Doom Patrol.
(Not really on topic, just had to get the ‘Byrne has become The Debbil’ rant out of the way.)
As to Phantom Stranger - was the ‘First Sorcerer’ origin used anywhere but the Conjurers Elseworld? If we’re talking Elseworlds, the Riddle of the Beast version was the coolest, I think. But not really appropriate to this discussion.
I, based on the PS stories I’ve read, think that if he gets involved at all, it’d just be guiding the combattants, but he’d be a deciding factor (the other being how well they interpreted his cryptic clues). Of course, also based on the PS stories I’ve read, there’s no guarantee that his involvement would be helping the JLA win.
People keep talking about the members of the Brotherhood - did they join the X-Men after I stopped reading (long time ago…just after Wolvie lost his adamantium and found out he had bone claws), or are people working with the ‘Brotherhood is helping’ variation mentioned before?
Quoth Harborwolf:
Um, isn’t the Phoenix, well, flamey? While J’onn might recognize her, and might react, I doubt that his reaction is going to be to charge her head-on, much less to hold his own for a while.
And I’m not quite following what happened at the end of that Storm/Iceman/Flash fight. Bit more clarification, please?
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Chronos, have you seen your appreciation thread in MPSIMS yet?
I, for one, welcome our new Chronos overlord…
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What about the fodder? You guys are all doing the cool / powerful people matchups… what about the odd / silly / funny matchups?
I think the problem with one-on-one matches is that most of them are so lopsided in the JLA’s favor that it ultimately comes down to Phoenix and maybe Professor X against the JLA heavy hitters, which is exactly what happened in the team vs. team scenarios anyway.
That said…
Martian Manhunter. Not only has he been at the telepath game longer than Charles, he can physically change the anatomy of his brain (in some issue of JLA he reverted to his martian form and told Aztek that his thoughts might sound a little different). And he has near-Superman level super speed. Even if Charles figures out how to work with a Martian mind, he has to figure out how to deal with a constantly changing one, and J’onn isn’t just going to sit there and let him. All he even has to do is keep Professor X occupied for the split second it’ll take him to get off a blast of martian vision.
Wonder Woman. Rogue’s only chance would involve laying her hands on Wonder Woman (who has the speed of Hermes) and keeping them on there long enough so that she was totally drained, which could take a very long while. Without sucking her powers, Rogue can’t really do anything that would hurt WW (she punched Thor with her strongest blow once… it made him blink). This is assuming that WW doesn’t just grab her with her lasso and slam her into the side of a mountain repeatedly.
Phoenix.
Flash, before Gambit even sees him.
Wolverine, probably. He can at least keep pace with Batman when it comes to fighting skills, and he hits harder.
Storm, unless we’re talking the Hawkgirl from the cartoons, with the Mace of the Gods that can do anything.
Superman in about 3 seconds.
While Phoenix is flamey, they aren’t really flames. It’s more of a telekinetic show than actual heat. The reason I went for that is that elder space beings nearly always recognize the phoenix from personal experience/legends passed down through their history/her tragic appearance on the dating game. He knows his mental powers are the only thing that could stop her, so he makes the attempt.
Sorry about the Iceman/Storm/Flash fight. My medicine wore off and i became too sick to think. 
Turns out I’ve got the legacy virus, or the flu. I’m not sure which.
Basically, Flash had to run off to keep berserk wolvy from killing bats. Since Wolverine is heavier and harder than he looks, he was staggered for a sec. In that time,Storm created a fog for iceman to freeze (area effect attack to stop the flash cold) Iceman froze it and it failed. Flash takes Iceman. Storm flies away.
In the first part of the cleanup round, Flash takes out Shadowcat. Since both can phase but only one has the speed, Kitty loses quickly.