Since Batman doesn’t kill and won’t be bringing the Batmobile to the fight, it’s not like he’s going to have very much hardware to seriously harm Wolverine with unless his belt is magical and carries things that wouldn’t actually fit in the real world.
This may not work. I know that when Kitty Pryde has tried to phase through Wolvy, she suffers intense, debilitating pain due to the density of the adamantium bonded to his bones. As far as the healing factor goes, it has been amped up to better than it was, but I don’t know by how much. He did heal from very close proximity to the sun. The adamantium would be there as long as his bones were left. It’s indestructable and bonded to them.
Boy, if you took the character bounds off of them all and just let them get messy I think all that would be left of both sides would be stains. :eek:
In my thread about secondary mutations, someone linked to uncannyxmen.net (a great site I had forgotten about) and I found Mimic’s page which says nothing at all about there being an upper limit to powers mimiced or anything about the ones he gained being at only a quarter of their normal potency.
The current version’s a definite alternate.
In JLA books he regularly carries high explosive batarangs when he knows he’ll be up against heavy hitters. One of those to the gut should do the trick. Also high voltage taser 'rangs. Is adamantium conductive? Even in his solo books Batman has enough explosives to improvise something. Also its not out of character for Batman (as written in JLA) to bring a vehicle to the battle.
My cite is Bats’ fight against the General/Shaggy Man in Morrison’s run. The Shaggy man is a Super-Strong regerator that puts Logan to shame (I’m taking entire limbs in seconds). Batman holds him off long enough to lure him to a teleporter.
We need **Kythereia **to come back and tell us how this battle’s going to start because that will obviously impact the decision considering the devices the JLA will have access to if they have time to prepare.
I was thinking it would be the “teleported to a barren plain with no foreknowledge” idea that **Gamera **was advocating earlier. Seems that would be most fair.
I’m here! Still laughing over the image of Nightcrawler with his incredible toilet-paper powers, and wondering who would win between Batman and Professor X with a jar of pickles, but I’m here. 
I like the teleported to a barren plain / trapped in a locked room idea.
Nobody gets out to replenish their technologies or powers, you stay there until you’re taken down.
All versions of all characters are allowed; Pre-Crisis, Post-Crisis, Hypertime, alternate universes, whatever, it’s all good.
Annnnnd…
GO!
Uh. Pre-Crisis is allowed? Might as well lock the thread because the X-Men are fucked.
Wally’s vibration ability is different than Kitty’s phasing (For instance: Kitty, thankfully, doesn’t make things explode, and when Wally could vibrate through things without blowing them up, he didn’t short out electronics), so trying to draw conclusions of one by the other is iffy, at best.
Yeah. There’d be a couple survivors on both sides - Plas and Wolvie are pretty much guaranteed - but the bulk of both teams would be reduced to bloody smears - if even that much survived.
Although, now that I think of it, the mess makers getting a chance to cut loose really depends on the X-Men taking out Zatanna and the Dr Fates before they can end the fight. ‘Nem-X dna Ecituj Eugael eb ta ecaep!’ does takes some time to say…
Perhaps ‘Nem-X pots!’ or ‘Enoyreve pots!’ or even ‘Nem-X eid!’ if Zatanna wanted to be ruthless, too. (‘Stnutum eid!’ if the X-Men have the Brotherhood or the offshoot teams helping them. Sorry, Captain Comet, you’ll have to be collateral damage.)
**Kythereia ** the X-Men fan goes :smack:
I was allowing Phoenix / Dark Phoenix, so I thought it was only fair to allow multiple incarnations of Supes and the JLA…
D’oh!
Dark Phoenix is Jean, Phoenix is Rachel, her daughter from the future. Or has that been retconned?
Anyway, if Pre-Crisis Superman is allowed, he would take out the entire Marvel Universe by himself in about 0.0378 seconds, let alone the X-Men, which would only take 0.0000192. No one on the X roster could possibly stand up to him.
Oh, cripes.
All at the same time?
You realise this results in several dozen Supermen alone? Not all of which have any reluctance to kill? Some of which are downright evil? And the powerlevels of the Pre-crisis versions are, while uneven, generally pretty insane (not that the Post-Crisis versions are wimps except relatively speaking).
Ditto Batmen.
And Flashes.
And J’Onns.
And Wonder Women.
And the amount of magic getting tossed around by the alternate Leagues is positively obscene.
Does this include the Earth-2 Justice Society, the two versions of the Crime Syndicate, and the Earth-D Justice Alliance?
Oh, lord…and all the alternate Leagues from Morrison’s Second Crisis in Animal Man.
Although a couple of the more powerful X-Men get themselves duped, too, there aren’t as many published X-Men alternates as their are Justice Leagues.
I think we’ll have to give an entire planet over for the battle ground just to give them enough room for the speedsters, flyers, tacticians, etc to maneuver.
And, yeah, under this scenario, even with their own alts, the X-Men are pretty much toast.
(Sidenote on alternate universes…Have to give Marvel credit for calling their main universe 616, rather than 1. I wonder what Marvel’s Earth-1 is like…)
I’m not sure if it counts as a retcon, but essentially Jean is phoenix now. LIke I said in an above post, she became phoenix again after Magneto hurled Asteroid M with Jean and Wolverine on board into the sun. She used her tk powers to alter the molecular structure of the asteroid (what was left at that point) and turn it into a space ship. Even without being Dark Phoenix she is pretty bad ass.
Also allowing other X-groups gives us Rachael Summer Phoenix. That’s two two two for the price of one.
To rehash an old point on this thread, I know can say that Rogue would wipe the floor with the bat. Due to an exposure to skrull DNA (yeah, I know :rolleyes: ), Rogue can now recall the powers of anyone she has absorbed in the past. That gives her access to magneto, storm, wolverine, gambit, colossus, nightcrawler, etc etc etc. In that match the bat would go down hard and fast.
Another fun part of allowing X-Groups is Sync from Generation X. He synchs with mimic and gets Madrox’s powers, making the Mimic/Mulitple Man trick sick.
I would like to chime in as being against alternate universes as far as pulling characters. It’s gonna make this too big and too messy to keep track of. And it’ll basically come down to a bajillion phoenixes vs a bajillion supermen.
But doesn’t Rachel still exist? And isn’t she still called Phoenix? I know Jean has recently rediscovered the Phoenix Force or whatever but I assumed when people were talking about Phoenix instead of Dark Phoenix, they meant Rachel. Does Jean use that name now too?
And I agree about allowing alt-universes and/or multiple characters. Way too cumbersome. And way too lopsided to boot.
I still say we should have a limited JLA of, say, the three dozen most recent members versus the combined rosters of the three or four most mainstream X teams (Men, Force, Factor and maybe one or two others). It doesn’t seem fair at face value but taking into account the differences in power levels, it makes more sense.
OK, OK, OK!
In the interests of a (slightly more) fair match, rules revised:
No alternate universes, no multiples, nada. I’ll allow past / inactive members of the JLA and X-Men, but only that.
The counless Green Lanterns would be a bigger threat than the countless Supermen, I think.
If for no other reason, it’s countless versions of quite a few different characters. (Hal, John, Guy, Kyle and G’nort have all been in the League. Then there’s the fellow from Earth-D and any alternates he has. And various alternate Allens. And the Power Rings and their alternates. And…)
Of course, given the fact that it’s an effectively infinite number we’re talking here, I’m not sure the order of the infinity will have THAT much of an effect.
If, of course, we’re talking all possible alternates, not just published ones.
In that case it’s a handful of Phoenixes vs several dozen Supermen and…a number of Green Lanterns I don’t want to count. O_o
I think “TP” stands for teleport. Can Nightcrawler really move that fast?
No! Haven’t you read the thread? It stands for toilet-papering! Sheeesh! 
(It does, and I think Nightcrawler really* is * that fast.)
Does there happen to be any place that has descriptions of superheros and their powers? I’m a very casual fan, but I have no clue as to what most of these guys can do. What exactly can a green lantern ring do? It was said that there were versions of Superman that would take out all the x-men in 0.00…01 seconds. I thought that he had the same powers, just to insane levels, is that really enough to do whatever he wants?
Superman’s powers fluctuate wildly depending on when he’s being written, who’s writing him, and how much editorial control is being excercised.
His current canon powers are, I believe, flight, invulnerability, superstrength, superspeed, heat vision, x-ray vision, and enhanced senses.
Originally, he didn’t have the flight or vision powers (IIRC). In the past he’s had superbreath, superintellect, superhypnotism, and probably several I don’t remember. Basically, in the past any power he could have wanted, he’s had.
His power level on all of his powers also goes up and down based on all of that.