Why wouldn’t it matter whether someone “kills with gusto” or “kills reluctantly”?
Yeah that’s a good point. Are there infact a lot of male I-Just-Killed-This selfies on the internet?
In Wisconsin, at least in my big extended family, there are many many I-just-killed-this photos. Too many, but I’m done arguing with them about my unpopular position.
The thread was whining about Gervais and how he needed to “shut the fuck up”. Gervais didn’t threaten the woman or dox her or whatever. He just gave an opinion on her.
Much of why Gervais supposedly needs to “shut the fuck up” was because of this woman’s “reasonable” defense for her actions. So it would seem that discussing this defense is a reasonable thing to do in a thread.
If the OP wanted to limit discussion to online shaming or doxxing, then adding in a bunch of nonsense about Gervais being fat or eating meat or how giraffes aren’t endangered was a poor way to go about it.
More accurately, adult male giraffes don’t typically hang out in herds and herding behavior in giraffes is highly fluid anyway. In the context of MrDibble’s post, he is quite correct - giraffes don’t really seem social enough to ostracize. Indeed male dominance, such as it is, seems to be largely a matter of simple size.
I think you’re overlooking the connections between respecting animals, enjoying the kill, and the decision to kill or not kill.
If you don’t have respect for animals, and you enjoy killing animals, that will influence your decision of whether or not it should be killed. The respect (or lack of) and enjoyment of killing doesn’t exist apart from that decision.
Think about this: Do you think a veterinarian should enjoy putting down an animal? What if vets posted selfies smiling next to the animals they euthanized? Creepy or not? If so, why? As you say, the animals wouldn’t care, and they’re going to be killed anyway.
And what about people who kill stray cats and dogs? If respect for animals is irrelevant, why should they refrain from doing something they enjoy? Why is that considered one of the warning signals of criminal sociopathy?
Would you tell your students that respect for animals is irrelevant, and enjoying killing doesn’t matter, as you’ve explained it here?
I think glorifying the killing of any living thing - whether it is valid to kill it or not - is detrimental to society and individuals. Even the animals we eat should be given more respect than they are currently afforded in factory farms, because it is a reflection of who we are, of our ethics as human beings.
I think it is possible to be a hunter and still respect animals and not enjoy killing for the sake of killing. Hunting is a skill, and there are situations where it is valid and useful. But these big game hunters have no reason to be prouder of their kills than a slaughterhouse worker; those game preserves are like shooting fish in a barrel. All it takes is money.
Rebecca Francis quotes.
"[…]I was of the mindset that I would never shoot a giraffe,” she wrote.
“[…] the animals I have taken with a bow include: a 10 1/2 ft. brown bear, black bear, shiras moose, alaskan moose, dall sheep, stone sheep, desert bighorn ram, rocky mountain bighorn ram, mule deer, whitetail deer, elk, mountain goat, antelope, arapawa ram, kudu, zebra, black wildebeest, giraffe, springbuck, blesbuck, lynx, badger, and squirrel. I have also taken many of the same species and more with a rifle.”
But she only hunted the giraffe because of the “unique circumstance”.
She kills animals for sport, and as distasteful as I personally find it, it’s her choice and right to do so. She should own it. Making up this bullcrap story about killing the giraffe selflessly, to end his suffering and feed a village… That’s really ugly.
Someone should get on her for valuing a giraffe more highly than Rocky Mountain bighorn ram that she previously had a line against killing giraffes (unless to save a village).
Maybe if they quoted some Carroll at her, she’d see what a big stupid hypocrite she was.
There’s a few.
Really, more than a few.
In fairness, this guy really does look like a douchebag.
I can’t rule out the possibility that this blind guy doesn’t actually know he hit something, but it seems unlikely.
And my favorite, Inuits grinning happily after killing a whale. Native Americans are, of course, famous for their disrespect of nature.
She had a gun.
To the giraffe? Why would it matter?
And if it doesn’t matter to the victim, why would it matter to me?
Not really. If someone kills an animal that it’s appropriate to kill, and if they did so for reasons that won’t lead to inappropriate killing, I’m genuinely not going to worry about their enjoyment.
I accept that there are folks who are recreational hunters and fishers, and pretty much by definition these are people who derive pleasure from killing certain animals. We’re trumped up bald-ass monkeys, and there’s a certain predatory monkey instinct we’ve got. I exercise it by blowing up aliens in computer games; others exercise it by killing animals for food. Given that I eat meat that someone else killed, I don’t see how I can exercise any moral superiority over them.
Yeah, there might be someone who enjoys killing animals so much that they start killing animals in inappropriate circumstances. If they do that, it’s the killing in inappropriate circumstances, not their pleasure, that’s the problem.
As for the selfie-euthanasia vet, that would disrespect me as the ex-owner of poor sick Fluffles, and I do care about disrespecting people.
Edit:
Damn! 
Fair enough. The OP does read at times as being a pitting on two distinct subjects using only the one incident and the one personalized pittee so it could have gone in either direction.
Is this based on your extensive hunting experience?
Why should we respect animals? They have a lot of the same feelings we do: they feel pain, they suffer, they feel happiness and many form familial bonds. If we’re a superior life form as some have suggested, isn’t it our responsibility to respect them? This includes allowing them dignity and not being joyful over their deaths.
Virtues of the Responsible Hunter.
Going off like bloodthirsty rednecks is only hurting you and your sport.
I quoted the entirety of that post, you moron. And what “experts?”
If their opinion arises from ignorance, then it’s not on par with an opinion that rests on known facts and the inferences deductible therefrom.
You are truly a simple-minded ignorant fucknugget.
The song of your people.
Hey, I’m not against her killing the Giraffe but I’m not opposed to her getting death threats. She weapons up and stalks and kills things that mean her no harm. She signs death warrants all the time with no warning. She’s a hunter. It’s pretty damned hypocritical of her to deny a superior hunter the opportunity to put her down. She deals death, she doesn’t get to deny a fellow professional the courtesy if they so desire. That’s cowardly.
She needs to put skin in the game or don’t bother playing. She’s already doing that going against bears with a bow and arrow. That takes guts. She should be willing to move up to a more challenging foe.
Only if it’s consensual of course or if the loser is used to feed a starving village or something. Hell, I’d pay to see it and would likely bet on her to win. She looks like she can handle her own.
I’m not seeing “don’t take pictures of yourself smiling with your kill” in that list. And I’m guessing that the photo at the top, of several grinning people gathered around a dead deer, includes the author of that blog?
In what way did the woman in the OP behave like a bloodthirsty redneck?
So you’d be okay with a vet who posted a selfie of a stray animal that was euthanized? :dubious:
And I still think you’re discounting the harmful effects of not respecting animals and the enjoyment of killing animals. It’s the pleasure that precipitates the killing in inappropriate circumstances, so why isn’t that a primary concern? Why not deter that inappropriate enjoyment by promoting respect for living things?
You didn’t respond to my other question, but I am doubtful you’d be this blithe about it if your students asked you for your opinion. I have seen firsthand in my own students how there is a correlation between respect for animals and respect for other people. Yes, we are trumped up monkeys, but the goal should be to strive to make ethical decisions with the part of our brain that has evolved beyond that.
Who knew that Bricker was an expert in giraffe social behavior and in laws regarding permitted giraffe hunting in Africa?
Truly, there is nothing the man does not know!
Ad hominem, and poisoning the well.
I think you’re being disingenuous here, Bricker. I think you’re fully aware that Mr. Dibble followed this post
with this post
just 3 minutes later. I also think you’re fully aware the second post was the post BigT was talking about.