Playing sports and entertaining are most certainly work. For every one person who jumps straight into a major league career as soon as the rules they their eligible or who stumbles into a successful music career, there are many others who out their time in playing minor leagues/college sports or touring clubs in a van and playing for small amounts.
It is true that atheletes want a lot of pay, but in my opinion the cost to see them play by the average person is too much and only the very rich can see them. I used to go to the Chicago theater in the 40’s and see all kinds of celeberties and it only cost a dollar because they were part of the entertainment in between the movies. Now the price is outrageous.Ask Ron Santo of the Cubs what his wage was, compared to what it is now!
The fact is that if the people in this country would be willing to work the jobs the illegals do, there would be no reson for companies to hire them. Being willing to work for a fair wage is not being lazy, but as long as a person is on welfare they are slaves in away, they will never get ahead on welfare, and there are people who work 3 jobs, even though they would prefer to just work at one. I took meanial jobs and worked for low pay, as a matter of fact I worked my way through high school for just room and board. I then worked in a dime store for $12.00 per week. I was glad to have some money coming in, I didn’t intend to live that way forever and worked my way up, I did a good job and when I left for a better paying job they didn’t want me to go, and that is how I worked all my life. I didn’t feel deprived or get food stamps or welfare, there were times I didn’t have anything to eat from Friday night until Monday morning, I went to work early so I could eat. I was then working in a restaurant. I didn’t have money (a lot of the times even the 13 cents for bus fair and so I walked where ever I wanted to go. I didn’t feel impoverished, I had lived through the depression and knew I would not starve.
Do I think all people should do this…no. But I do believe that some money is better than none. Part of the reason my doctor tells me that I am in good health and can do more than most people of 80 years of age is because of my work ethic. My husband is 84, he can still do things most people cannot do at age 50. Last year he put steel siding on our barn. Most people that age are lucky to walk around with out help!
We do not need health clubs etc. to get exercise, we just keep busy and do not look at work as a punishment but a privilege to have the health to do it. I think that is why so many physically handicapped persons are so willing to do all that hey can by themselves, they understand the fact that they want to do all they can, and it is not easy. If one goes with out like the illegals do in their countries, that is one reason they want to go where there is work, regardless of the pay.
Perhaps they look at it as work, and yes, they do have some problems of privacy etc. but they are not worth(in my opinion) the money they ask for. Consider the wages of our soldiers, sailors, marines etc. who risk their lives for us and then consider the difference in pay! Policemen, firemen, etc. who really should be paid more do not get 1 tenth of what the actors or other entertainment people get. It costs money to pay the service people who with out them we would not be free to do what we like to do. The money comes from taxes and so many people complain if they have to pay 50 dollars a year more in taxes but do not mind paying $500.00 or more to see a ball game, or go to a concert, Even $50.00 to go to a game is too much if one is already in debt.
The average person can easily afford tickets to minor league games. Is it outrageous that the average person can’t afford a Ferrari?
Now that ain’t workin’, that’s the way you do it
Money for nothing and chicks for free…
How much do you think the average actor or musician gets paid? A typical actor makes nothing and has to have another job to support his hobby.
There are very few superstar actors out there. And if you want to hire a superstar for your movie, you have to pay them, or they’ll make a different movie for someone else. And so the salaries of superstars gets bid up, because superstars sell movie tickets. If you are a superstar musician who sells millions of albums and concert tickets, then you’ll make millions. But there are only a few superstar musicians, most musicians are lucky to get a free latte when they play for tips at the local coffee shop open mike night.
Superstar entertainers get paid a lot because they sell a lot of tickets. Most entertainers don’t, and so don’t get paid very much. It’s called show business. If you own a business and the business doesn’t make money, you don’t make money. If you own a business and the business brings in lots of money, then you make lots of money. It doesn’t matter if your business is selling concert tickets or hamburgers or aluminum siding, if people want your product you make money, if they don’t wnat it you don’t make money.
And what does this have to do with illegal immigrants working on farms? Because kids today are fat and lazy and don’t want to work 12 hour shifts picking apples for $12 a week, like you did back in the depression?
I’m sorry that kids today have it easier than you did, maybe you shouldn’t have worked so hard to make a better life for them. If only your generation had squandered everything and left our country worse off, then impoverished American kids would be fighting for the chance to work 12 hour shifts in the sweatshops and coal mines, and you’d be happy.
I wonder if my generation will be able to look back and think, “man, did we have it easy. These kids are fucked!”
If the average person owes money,then he can’t afford to go to a minor league game. There was a time my husband was out of work for 6 weeks, we went on a what we called a depression diet. We didn’t even spend the money on a 3 cent stamp if we didn’t need it. That year we saved enough to pay cash for our first house. We bought a small cabin on three lots. that had an old big house that had to be torn down. we used the good lumber to build a ranch house, it was a lot of work but we didn’t go in debt.
If a person spends $2.00 a week on lottery tickets hoping to get rich( as a brother in-law of ours did for years), each year one is losing $104.00 a year that could pay for some groceries, or other necessary things. What isn’t paid for isn’t yours until it is paid in full! That is why our economy is in the shape that it is in. Too many people lived beyond their means.
No it is not outrageous if a person can’t afford a Ferrari, but if one has one that isn’t paid in full for, then they are going into debt.
“THe Donald” has gone bankrupt with one of his businesses, and who pays for that? In my thinking one is not rich just because they spend a lot of money and owe a lot!
I do not think employers should help people break the law by hireing illegal immigrants. My point is that the more one makes and the more things cost one is not gaining anything.Numbers may sound good but too many people are too deep in debt. Our economy has been false for too many years! Living beyond one’s means is not prosperity. My children were not given every thing they wanted, they had to earn their own cars etc, and had responsibilities,around the house. One can take pride in what one has done for themselves, not what is done for them.
As far as working 12 hour shifts etc. that is just baloney! If they live with in their means and are willing to better them selves (as mine have) they do not worry about sweat shops. My children were taught that work is not a punishment and a good job no matter what it is, is better to earn a few dollars then to sit at home and complain that they can’t start out with a huge salary, if one spends wisely and is willing to work there is no crime in that.
When too many people are in debt, lose their homes etc. then they can’t charge anymore, and the economy goes down, the economy is false and so people even those who have saved something lose thier jobs too.
It is not that the younger people are fat and lazy it is that they do not need some of the things they go in debt to have. Sooner or later they have to pay up. It is better to eat beans when you don’t have to, then to have to live on beans after you are used to steak!
I’m sorry, but I don’t understand what point you’re trying to make here or if you even have one.
So what makes you think “kids today” are going into debt more than “adults today”? Kids didn’t take out all these mortgages during the housing bubble, old folks did.
Being of my age group everyone under 60 is a kid:D. I still think of our children and their age groups as kids.
The people (we knew and know, still living) of our generation who lived beyond their means, are having a hard time of it as well. Because of our age most of the people our age have died , but some we know real well are still in debt, and some still work to pay off debts or have sold things they bought to bring in extra money as Social Security they get, doesn’t cover their expenses. many cannot afford their medication.
Most of the people of our age (that we know) bought small houses and worked their way up to a larger home. In our Area, there were very few small houses built. Taxes are higher for large homes, it costs more to heat and cool them,the cost of up keep is also more. I know several people with one or 2 children who have 5 bedroom houses and they are seldom home, because they have to work so many hours to make ends meet and there are many houses in this area that are in foreclosure. If one member loses their job they are forced to move.
My point is that if one lives over what they make or even just spend what they earn they will not get ahead, and that people who enter the country illegally live together (in some cases) crowded, but live under what they earn, they are paid under the table in lots of cases and so not paying taxes they really are earning more actual money than some one who lived here all their lives and earn minimum wage, but pay taxes out of that. They also have medical expenses etc. some go to emergency rooms for care and the people who work pay for that by either higher taxes, or higher rates.
Cite? No just urban legends, either.
Some of you may be familiar with the new law passed in Fremont, NE barring companies from hiring undocumented workers or landlords from renting to them. What no one seems to consider is that the two large employers that draw the undocumented to Fremont are meat packing plants that are outside the city limits and therefore not subject to the law. ALL of the employees at these plants are paid standardly, via a check, with the appropriate witholdings. They even have benefits, so they could go to the doctor like the rest of us do, assuming the insurance they are offered is affordable.
The undocumented immigrant I talked to at a previous employer worked for one of those companies that cleans your office. He was also paid by check, with all the appropriate withholdings. It is not true that the majority of undocumented immigrants are paid under the table. (Why would they be? This places enormous risk on the employer. Instead, all the employer has to do is accept the immigrant’s documents at face value and his obligation is over in most cases.) It is not true that most immigrants don’t pay taxes. It may be true that most undocumented immigrants get their health care from the ER, but then so do millions upon millions of US citizens who can’t get access to affordable health care.
Perhaps you should read the rest of the thread, where the idea that illegal immigrants mostly work under the table has already been debunked. Some certainly do, but not in significantly greater numbers than legal residents.
Moreover, the majority of illegal immigrants, who do have payroll, Social Security and Medicare taxes withheld, help fund the latter two programs, since they pay in but can never collect benefits.
A modest proposal indeed! 
We’re already using them as a cheap source of food, if you think about it.
I love Mexican food! Hmmmmm… spicy!
Thanks.
Also: ER’s bill for their services. Some of the bills end up getting written off but quite a few are paid, eventually. (From a conversation with somebody who used to work at Ben Taub in Houston.)
Also, everybody pays Sales Tax. And Property Tax, too; even if you rent, the landlord passes those expenses on to you.