Oh yes, they certainly are. I have no interest in rock critics. I consider entertainment press to be pure pornography for the mind.
However, I do apologize if I am as bad as NCB says. I don’t care to hurt anyone’s feelings. I hardly expect them to take me seriously, or care what I think. I do think I crossed the line, so I’m sorry. Put on your music and enjoy it and have a drink on me.
Roy left after the first ELO album. It had been his intention all along after bringing Jeff in from The Idle Race. Roy went to form Wizzard.
Are you sure it’s “Evil Woman” you’re talking about and not “Do Ya”?
The Move did have a minor hit with “Do Ya” in the US. Jeff retooled it for A New World Record and even then it was edited. The unedited version came out on Flashback - a box set.
Thanks. I feel so validated.
However, you dodged my main point. Why is it okay for The Scissor Sisters to be self-consciously retro-camp and not okay for The White Stripes to be self-consciously retro-ironic? This is, afterall, one of the main reasons you claim that The White Stripes are objectively crap. On this basis, you should also dislike The Scissor Sisters for the same reasons.
That you don’t, implies that you’re full of shit and the whole “keeping it real” schtick is convenient to trash bands you don’t like but otherwise ignored when it comes to bands you do like.
Get your hands on “U2” by Negativland. Far from “a crappy band”, but definitely a take on U2 that is as reverent as the Scissor Sisters’ take on Floyd.
I pretty much haven’t liked anything since about 1992. I live in the past and think these kids today don’t know what music is. That stuff they listen to now, that’s just noise, that is.
“Balls to the Wall,” that was music…I don’t know what happened…it used to be…zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Yeah, I have both versions of Do Ya.
The Evil Woman (pre?)cover was played by the late great KLOL- 101.1FM of Houston before they were absorbed by ABC Rock Radio™. The had a special version of Two-fer Tuedays once a moth where they played a famous rock song and then the earlier version of which it was a cover. The Van Halen stuff was a given, but I was surprised at many of the others. Including this one.
[Beavis]You said balls…heh…heh…heh…heh…[/Beavis]
Hah. He’s got you in a box, *Cicetus. If self-conscious camp is ok for one group, why not another?
At least the Jack White has the decency not to sing Bee Gees falsetto.
You asked me one direct question and I answered it. How am I to know what amazing grasp of the obvious you’ve made and need validated? What a smart young man you are. You realize that there are some similarities between a band I hate and a band I hate slightly less. Give yourself a gold star.
It’s not about self-concious crap. The White Stripes suck because they can’t play their fucking instruments. The drummer can’t even keep time. They’re posturing just adds to the annoying quality of their basic lack of ability. Their “minimalism” is a think cover for the fact that they barely know what the fuck they’re doing. If the drummer can learn how to fucking keep time, maybe I’ll reconsider the whole WS thing. I do think some of the lyrics are OK, but my main annoyance with them is the fact that they flat out suck as musicians. That’s not about genre. It’s about having objective fucking criteria for liking music. Call me old fashioned, a prude, a snob, but I like a drummer to fucking stay on rhythm.
Now you’re just spouting ignorance. I’ll grant you that Meg is no Keith Moon, but she doesn’t have to be. Her minimalist drumming fits the music they are playing.
But Jack White is damned near a guitar god. If you think he can’t play, you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. He’s a fantastic rock/blues guitarist. He’s also a fantastic songwriter and producer. Go listent to what he did for Loretta Lynn on ‘Van Lear Rose’, or his work on the ‘Cold Mountain’ soundtrack. He can cross genres at will. He’s a huge musical talent.
Also, their tedious. I have an absolutely low threshold for reptitive music, which is why I’ve dismissed the genre of hip-hop along with most rave, techno, and TWS. Anything that is the same riff over and fucking over, pounding in my school, will make me borderline homicidal. I consider it inhumane to even make such music, especially when my neighbors can buy it and play it at window-rattling volumes outside my window.
Also, the girl at the record store told me it was good, and I spent like $16 on Elephant. She PROMISED me it was good. I’m sure I would have half the animosity if I simply had not been sucked into giving Jack and Meg my hard earned money, but I pray fervently that Meg would use it for drum lessons or Jack for anger management classes.
And she’s off rhythm some times. Even if she was merely minimalist (and not simply bad), the drums are corny. And repitive. See above.
He’s a competent blues riff replicator. He plays the same riff over and over and over for six, seven minutes. Now a certain amount of repitition is tradition in blues, but it seems like a joke when he does it. I remember this very talented friend in college, who used to pick up a guitar and play a riff over and over, and make up lyrics, as a (affectionate) parody of blues. If he’d made a career of that, he’d be Jack White.
Don’t get me started on Van Lear Rose. SO over-rated. I got suckered into buying that one, too.
Cold Mountain is good, but it’s a T Bone Burnett project. He’s King Midas, Producer. Everything the man touches is gold. Jack’s vocals do fit the CD.
That may or may not be so, but that’s not why you were originally trashing them:
Your original complaints were about repetition and posturing. First, you dodge my main point and now you try to change your arguement.
Sorry, but I think she does keep time. She’s not flashy or even particularly good but she does hit the beats and that’s all that’s required. You may not like the stripped down primitivism of the music but it most definitely is a matter of choice or genre. Jack White is actually a very accomplished guitarist, songwriter and producer with a real understanding of country, folk and the blues. See Loretta Lynn’s Van Lear Rose and the soundtrack to Cold Mountain.
Hodge, you need to take a sabbatical from Music Magazine tripe.
Damn, Sam beat me to most of my points.
I’m through with this. Talk to me in 5 years and we’ll see where your White Stripes are.
I haven’t read a music magazine since the 80s. I do use the internet for discussion and new recommendations but that’s almost exclusively through message boards like this. My opinions and tastes are based on a life-long love of music.
With due respect, dude, this post just shows an ignorance of musicanship. I’ve been playing guitar for 22 years. Jack White can rip. I know what I’m talking about because I can rip. I don’t mean to insult you, but maybe the Stripes just sound weird to you, more amateurish perhaps, because they don’t have a bass and their recordings tend to be (deliberately) a little under produced. They’re trying to sound like they’re in somebody’s basement. You’re hearing how a band sounds without all the artificial sweeteners and producing tricks and maybe it seems little raw at first blush.
The drummer, I grant you, is not exactly Neil Peart but she’s competent and keeps adequate time.
You don’t have to like them, that’s a matter of taste, but it’s a matter of fact that they can at least play their instruments.
I wonder if Neil Peart has nightmares about being the drummer in the White Stripes? His technical prowess would be so wasted. He would be so bored.