Snowiest City in World?

UDS siad:

I can not find any authoritative referance to any actual numbers. Do you have any such referance. And as for other languages not distinguishing between “town” and “city,” I thank you for making my point. If the question is “what is the snowiest city in the world,” then we should employ the standard used by as much of the world as is possible. And as I pointed out in my last post, most of the world, and most of the states in the United States, make no real distinction (legally) between a city and a town EXCEPTING that in many places, a “town” is an unincorperated entity. Valdez, Alaska IS incorperated and therefore is LEGALLY a city.

As a “general rule” this may apply, yet without any firm demarcation for the actual number of people it takes to be a “city” your statement is inexact and you have applied it in an arbitrary manner.

As for the relative importance of Valdez: It is the regional capital of this region of Alaska; it is one of the largest suppliers of salmon (canned and fresh) in the world; it is a major supplier of domestic oil to the United States; It is the northernmost year-round port in the United States and is therefore an essential part of the Homeland Security Department’s national defense system; and is home to the first, largest, and most heli-skiing operations in the entire world.

Valdez has all of these things {see my last post}. I’ll add that Valdez has has several world-class museums centered on the Oil Pipeline, the fishing industry, and the Yupik (native alaskan) culture. We have a modern civic center, convention center (which hosts an anual meeting of most of the major, world-wide, oil producing industrial companies). 3-D movie theater and post office. The college hosts annual playwritting and and film making festivals attended by industry leaders from across the globe.

I think I have covered most of this part of your post previously. however, let me add that Valdez was the epicenter of the largest earthquake in US history and one of the largest events ever recorded anywhere in the world. As such, geologists from all over the world come to Valdez to study the area…of course they have to work around all of the other specialists, luminaries, tourists, skiers, fishermen, oilmen, film makers, engineers, doctors, playwrites and others from around the world. :wink:

Oh, and the Russians. Valdez is one of the most popular places for eastern Russians to vacation and work during the summer months.

Um, I think that I have established that legally, in most of the world and in most of the US, Valdez IS a city. Every single thing that makes a “city” a “city,” by your own testimony, is satisfied by Valdez except for the “size” arguement which is specious arbitrary (as I have shown).

Ah, on this we can agree.

However, not ALL “settlements” are “cities” - not legally anyway. That is why although Paradise Washington gets more snow than Vladez; and there is a full-time settlement there (a hotel); it is NOT a city, town, village, or anything else you want to call a municipality.

(Paradise, Washington - Wikipedia)

Looks like Valdez is way up there.

I want to throw a shout out to where I live though. Breckenridge Colorado (14 miles north of me) averages 167 inches a year. Population 5000. Most people would call that a town though :shrug:

Kutchan, a town about seventy miles from me, has an annual snowfall of 447 inches a year - would that be a contender?

Strangely we only get about 250 inches a year, even though we are relatively close.

But not if it is unincorporated. So a ski area is not a city, not matter how many people go there for the day.

And the bars, don’t forget the bars! Is the Glacier Bar still open?

I put Quebec City in for a vote Check this out

Oh yeah! I forgot about the bars. There’s the Pipeline Club, Wheelhouse, Landing Lights, and of course the Eagles and Elks Club bars. Alas, the Glacier Bar and Land Sharks are both closed.

Ouch! I cede the title to Kutchan, Hokkaidō, Japan. That leaves Valdez, Alaska with the minor title of snowiest city in the United States.

I am sad. :frowning:

Actually, I’m not too sad. As of Novemer 24, 2010, we’ve only had about 3" so far and NONE on the ground right now.

UDS’s law: If you can name all the bars from memory, it’s not a city.

(Dublin has 8,400 pubs. Now that’s a city. Not much snow, though.)

What do you mean by zombiest? The most zombies, or the city with the most zombieish zombies?

Not even in the running - only 124 inches of annual snowfall.

The pics you post look like my backyard, starting today, and lasting probably to April. Go snow!

FWIW, the local paper has claimed that among the cities of the world, none gets as much total mass of snow as Montreal. This stat combines total snowfall (around 100" a year, although there were 180" in 1970-71) with area of city. So for value of “snowiest” it might be Montreal.

On the other hand, I am currently visiting Seattle which is still throughly paralyzed after three inches fell on Monday and then the temperature fell into the 20s. Even a 15" snowfall will not paralyze Montreal for more than a day. They have snow clearance down to a fine art. What they did in Seattle was lay down a layer of brine before the snow started. The first snow melted, diluted the brine to the point of refreezing as ice and then subsequ4ent snow fell on top. So there is a snow-covered layer of ice, utterly unstable to drive on. Add to the this the hilliness of Seattle and the fact that most of the drivers do not know how to drive under these conditions (and the extremely short yellow lights they use, assuming everyone can stop on a dime) and you have a recipe for stagnation under these conditions.

I don’t know the precise number but I think you’re incorrect. It’s something <1000. I heard “over 700” before. I think the number you used is for the whole country or you made it up. :slight_smile:

LOUNE spent 5 years in Buffalo going to college. If a place is more snowy than that hell hole, it is uninhabitable. They use huge construction equipment to move the snow. It came down so fast once, he could not see across the street. It was 84 inches in 2 days.

Not really trying to nitpick Athena,but the question was for cities.I’m sure you get more than Quebec.The pictures are from 2008 the record year.
And to be honest I was trying to get the question back in the forefront

But Kutchan isn’t a city. Japanese, like English, distinguishes between city, town and village.

How about Revelstoke BC? Officially a city, staggeringly huge population of 7000, and the website claims a whopping 12-18 metres (40-60 feet) of average annual snowfall. I imagine those 12-18 meters are measured much the same way the height of a Big Mac is depicted in MacDonalds commercial.

Not an unbiased source as snow tourism is a big part of the economy there, however there is a very real reason for that. The area around Revelstoke is full of heliski operations. backcountry lodges, sledding kaos. Rogers Pass is the Backcountry Skiing capital of Canada. I have measured compacted base there of upwards of 5m at elevation.

Of course it really doesn’t snow there as much as it used to… Actually I have seen the records and there has been a steady decline for the past forty years.
I remember seeing images of a city in Russia with phenomenal snowfall; buried vehicles, streets bordered by plow banks meters high. Cant seem to google it now though.

My reply to an old thread sure stirred up a lot of zombies. I could have been a snow zombie as I live in an area in Montana that receives 120 inches per year.
However, I am posting again because, after much research, the only “town” in the world that I could find that might compete with Valdez, AK in the amount of snow they get is Damls in the Alps of Austria which claims 9 meters per year. That would be roughly 324 inches, not more that Valdez. There has to be another “town” or at least village outside of the US that would compare, but Valdez would be hard to beat. I will research more.

Huh? Are you related or something?

Well, after more research, the title would have to go to Kutchan, Japan. According to the records I read, Kutchan is a town of over 15,000 people and averages a whopping 446 inches of snow a year. That even beats Valdez by a long shot. So unless anyone can find anything different, Kutchan, Japan is the snowiest town in the world.