Both sides could get significant mileage out of it: Liberals on abortion debates (if they were willing to accept some definition of “children” broad enough to include fetuses, or an alternate word perhaps) and conservatives on welfare / safety net / income redistribution (and now transgendered bathroom) discussions
The fact that the Democrats in congress are now seriously thinking about tossing Wasserman-Schulz is a bad sign. Not that I have an affinity for Wasserman - that’s not the point. The problem is that the Bernie radicals are now clearly having an impact on the establishment. The democrats, as they have in the past, show signs that they might cave to pressures, whether from within or from the outside.
Bernie Sanders is like the divorced friend you take into your house, who then tries to bang your wife and then sues you when you try to evict him.
I know – that of the MARS. But, they’ll never make up a majority. You can only win on the MARS vote if you harness it in combination with other significant blocs, like Reagan did. And Trump can’t. He pisses off liberals, moderates, nonwhites, women, upper-class conservatives, the poor – he pisses off everybody but his base. Maybe a lot of evangelicals can stomach him, but not even they will be for him solidly.
What you’re claiming and what the polls are showing are at odds.
More specifically?
I didn’t think he had a chance at the beginning, but he has a good chance now and I’m definitely worried. I don’t think I’ve ever been scared of a main party presidential nominee before, but Trump scares me. He could end up doing fine if elected for all we know, but I’m don’t really want the chance to find out. He’s all over the place, can’t be pinned down very well on policy, is a huge bully, full of boastfulness and huge liar, but his supporters don’t seem to care. There was an article in the Washington Post today where they talked to some Trump supporters in some mid-West city or town and they seemed to be of the idea that they don’t take Trump literally on the things he says he will do, they just like that he projects strength
Oh the sky is falling! The market will be fine. And what type of short term thinking fool has an 8 year investment horizon? my horizon is 30+ years. Only Sanders scares me. Furthermore, as long as the US doesn’t destroy the value of treasuries credibility will be fine.
So you’re under age 48? Do you think that when you are 55 or 75 that your investment horizon will still be 30+ years?
Calling Trump insincere is like calling the center of the sun warm.
And we’ve only just begun. Trump against a strong candidate in any other year would get smashed, and that’s the reason why people consistently underestimate Trump and why they are probably still underestimating his chances against Clinton. Clinton is a weak candidate – she shouldn’t be but she is thanks to years of propaganda and a political prosecution by someone who was apparently more interested in pursuing a possible perjury case than he was multiple rapes committed on his own campus on his watch.
Oh, I see. You don’t mind losing a bunch of money because you think you’ll end up recovering it. Just because it comes back doesn’t mean you didn’t lose income. Speaking of 8 years, how’d that work out for you 8 years ago? Good luck with that.
Yeah, all those world leaders base their opinions of us and how they’ll deal with us on the level of Treasuries. Nice try, though.
Bernie may not drop out until he’s inflicted serious damage. Going after the head of the DNC before the convention is already a bad, bad sign, and it’s worse that some democrats are apparently interested in capitulation. Whatever advantages the democratic party enjoys over Trump will be negated and make the race winnable. And as we’ve mentioned before, Trump is not going to run a race like a typical republican. He will be a moving target, and the electorate is dumb enough to eat whatever he’s serving them. It’s great that Hispanics and Muslims are angry at Trump, but it won’t mean much if white women and black people in general aren’t motivated to vote against Trump. If enough of the electorate gets to the point where they believe that it really doesn’t matter who wins and who loses, or even if they think it might matter but not that much, then Hillary will lose. She needs people to believe that Trump is a nightmare and that only she can stop him. And she’s not there yet.
Hopefully. I don’t plan on spending all my loots. Plus a good chunk will be in bonds, real estate, and international equities as hedges. Not at all concerned except if Trump was serious about wanting to negotiate government debt. That would be disastrous.
Until I sell where’s the loss? My wife and I have been putting money in the market for about 20 years now, mostly small amounts for most of that time, and haven’t sold anything yet. So until it sells it’s irrelevant.
The error is in assuming that what was been will always be. America may not always be the strong country you have become accustomed to, and for that reason, it might not always have the strong economy you’ve become accustomed to as well. Much of America’s economic growth over the years is owed to the fact that America made the global economy and the global economic and political system in her image. There are very real challenges to that system now. Very, very real. I would trust someone like Hillary to understand that fact, just as Obama has, and to react accordingly. I have no idea about Trump, though. The problem is, nobody does. That’s dangerous.
Trump becoming president won’t be the cause. It will be a significant change in the fundamentals of America. Now Trump may be a symptom but he’s not the cause. The cause, in my opinion, is a much deserved breakdown in trust of the corrupt political class
The political class is as corrupt as it has to be, and the business class is as corrupt as it gets to be. That really is an important difference.
Know why I’m not worried about Trump being elected president? Because he’s his own worst enemy:
At New Mexico rally, Trump Disses the Republican Governor.
SMH. :smack:
Really? Ask yourself how much higher the Dow Jones Index would be without the '08 bear market. Make an estimate, then subtract where it’s at now (17,900 or so). On average, the remainder as a percentage is lost income you could have had.
I don’t know if it’s quite that simple. I believe power of all sorts corrupt. It’s hard to get more powerful than the us federal government.
If you are investing over a long period of time, bear markets are wonderful purchasing opportunities. How many less shares could I have bought if the dip didn’t occur? I don’t care if the Dow stays low for the next 20 years. That’s more shares per dollar.
And it’s never income, aside from dividends of course, until you sell. So where it is today with or without a bear market in '08 is irrelevant to me. I care what is when I start to sell, if need be, around 2045.
Some people foolishly panic during a bear market. Fiscally rational people stick to their plan. I’m not rich but we can invest about $3.6k/month and each day I’m hoping that stocks stay on sale for a decade or so.
All that aside, I am concerned that Trump signals he doesn’t understand the danger of damaging the creditworthiness of the federal government. That’s actually scary. Clinton, as corrupt and dishonest as she is, would probably be a good manager of the country. That said, I want judges who are further right than Clinton would nominate. The courts are the most important issue to me.