My wife is watching it on DVR right now. I won’t even waste my time on it anymore.
Is it true that the show foundered because Katic and Fillion had issues that eventually made it impossible for them to keep working together?
Looking around at commentary, and trying to weed out the opinion and guessing from facts, it seems that Stana Katic can be difficult to warm to, prefers isolation to social contact, and that clashed with Nathan Fillion’s friendly inclusive atmosphere. She always seemed to bring it on-screen, but outside of that didn’t show much love for the show or the fans.
But who knows, it may be all exaggerated and there was some other thing that motivated the change.
I can’t see any need to continue the show without Beckett, it’s time for it to go quietly into the night.
I stopped watching the show after Castle’s disappearance, but I kept reading articles and recaps and comments (hangs head in shame) to see if I could start watching it again. Looked at part of an occasional episode; had to turn it off. It sounds as if the current showrunners and writers did a character assassination on Beckett, as well as murdering the original show. Castle as a PI and not a writer is just stupid. What happened to famous Castle who never went anywhere without being recognized? I never liked the daughter – as Death of Rats said, she IS a Wesley Crusher. And something about the Castle and daughter closeness always seemed a bit skeevy to me. It’s too much.
Fillion’s smirk has stopped being charming and became annoying. Fillion has also gotten too old and pudgy to pull off the childish enthusiams with boyish charm. It is past time to end the show.
If that’s so, being an introvert in a mass of extraverts is a miserable existence, as many posters here undoubtedly understand. What the extravert thinks of as friendly sociability can feel like bullying. And just because it doesn’t show on the surface, doesn’t mean that the love isn’t there.
I started watching the show faithfully a few seasons in (went back and watched all of them from episode 1). Loved the idea of Castle as a writer with all his wild ideas, and the wealth to play around and do what he wanted…outside of police procedural rules…
Then for some reason, the local station in my area pulled the show. Has not broadcast a single episode of season 8, though they were advertising it for a long time… No explanation why, refuse to answer my queries… WTF?
So reading all your comments on season 8, I see I haven’t missed anything.
Castle as a private eye is just stupid. His writer persona was tailor made for the show… Also not a huge fan of him and Beckett marrying, and something about her was always grating (her character to me was TOO “right” all the time, always the voice of wisdom, having all the answers - just a bit too much for me). So not entirely surprised to hear that she’s not all that sociable with the cast or fans - some times character personas don’t fall far from the tree of real personality… I think the “introvert” explanation is probably a bit of a cop out on that. I mean, seriously, she must be a multimillionaire from this show. Was she known before this show for anything substantial? And there is no real gratitude here to be able to interact with cast and fans in a outgoing manner/make an effort of it? This show has made her rich and made her future career…
How can you be an actor and be an introvert anyway?
All in all, want to say I am grateful for all your comments on season 8, glad I didn’t see it, wouldn’t mind seeing the show die now considering all the changes. :smack:
You summed it all up pretty well. I actually liked his interaction with the daughter though but as she got into her college years it just didn’t work any more… As the major influence in her life when she was young, it worked… Also liked having the mother around, and the female police captain (forget her real name) who they fired prior to season 8 - good to have antagonistic characters in the mix… The dynamic worked, and the dynamic between Castle/Beckett worked best in the early seasons, then when they got involved - it just all seemed to fake and forced…
We stopped watching when they got together, and nothing I’ve read about it makes me want to start again. The Conspiracy story line was stupid, and started dominating more and more of the episodes. It was time for them to get together, since it was getting harder to justify them not seeing the obvious.
I like the relationship with Alexis since it made Castle a bit deeper of a character and not just a smartass.
But Castle as PI? That just sounds stupid.
…Is it too soon to ask, “Can we have Firefly back now…? Please?”
Unfortunately, it’s too late to ask that.
I was a big fan when the show started, never watch anymore. The show’s creator died, seems like all the writing staff left and were replaced by hacks of the worst sort.
The show was supposed to be fun. It was a fun show with dramatic moments. They lost sight of that several years ago. I don’t mind them getting together. I really don’t. But her getting threatened, him disappearing, his spy father (are you fucking kidding me???), his daughter kidnapped, shadow conspiracies…
Plus, they never showed us any skin. Katic’s, not Fillion’s.
Exactly. I enjoyed early Castle because it was fun.
Then they got all angsty and grim, so I stopped watching.
I’ve got to beg to differ with this comment. I’ve always felt like sentiments that amount to “The show was ruined when the leads got together” are missing the mark, for whatever TV show that are made in reference to. And, for Castle in particular, the show continued to be good after Rick and Kate got together, IMHO. The show didn’t really fall off until “For Better or For Worse,” which is a full two seasons after they hooked up.
The problem, as is always the problem with successful shows like this IMO, is that the show creators have a finite number of stories to tell, but then they continue to make the show after they have finished telling them. This is nearly always because the show gets ratings, so the studio backs up the Brinks truck, and makes them an offer they can’t refuse, when what most of them really should do is turn the money down, and go out on a high note. It happened with ER, and it’s happening with NCIS, and it’s also what’s happened to Castle, IYAM: after “Veritas,” they didn’t have any more stories to tell. Frankly, even though I didn’t think that Season 7 was any good, “Hollander’s Woods” was a episode, that should have been the series finale. And I have the sinking feeling that it’s going to end up being a much better episode than the actual series finale.
Basically, Castle’s problem is that, when it’s said and done, there are going to be no fewer than 173 episodes, when there probably never should have been have been any more than 110 or so. If you trim all the fat, they could have told a complete story in five seasons. And, even if they’d left in all the filler episodes between “Flowers For Your Grave” and “Veritas,” they still should have ended the series after six.
I just read a blind item in a blind gossip column, not an hour ago. This item explained the creator of a popular tv show had the two leads get married (even though IRL the main actor loathed the main actress). After the creator of the show left, the actor felt it was now ‘his’ show and he insisted the actress be fired. And she was. A really stupid move, but as mentioned already, the show has about run its course.
At the risk of coming across as snarky and insensitive, what leads an introvert to a career in entertainment in the first place?
I suspect that acting may be a good career for an introvert. Your real self stays safely hidden behind the role you are playing.
But is it even true that she was standoffish and didn’t do her share of publicity with the fans? I’ve no idea.
This. Absolutely true and correct.
I think I’m even going to throw out my Firefly dvd, since I can’t stand the sight of Fillion’s face anymore.
I hope they end it now. Don’t drag it out another season with just Castle. This show ran out of gas several seasons ago.
I watched the first three seasons and they were very good. Then I pretty much lost interest. I’ve continued watching an episode every now and then. But it isn’t the same.
This sounds plausible, but I can’t imagine how an introvert wouldn’t find the trappings of fame to be suffocating?