I was talking with a co-worker about our week-ends. He said his was crap. It seems he just arrived at this club with some girl. They were sitting outside in his car “messing around”. Just then he saw the girl he was dating coming out of the club. She saw him, he saw her, she saw her, and all hell broke loose.
He was talking about what happened like it was really cool. He got busted by his woman with another woman. He was all smiles duing the whole story.
I was just listening to him thinking “man are you lame”.
Of course, when his story was over I said “man,. are you lame”.
I agree that it’s a double standard as well, but my biggest complaint is that women are the one’s who throw this out as though it’s the males of society who are to blame for this double standard, and yet it’s the women who seem to respect the promiscuity of men. That’s the thing that pisses me off whenever someone throws that little statement out. This thread was a little test for me to see if I was somewhere on the right track, and so far, I think I am.
Now, for transitionality, whereas I applaude your choice to not sleep with a girl under the influence of alcohol (I feel much the same way), there is a HUGE difference to between going to a bar and hooking up with a girl who’s had a few and consents to/innitiates sex, and finding a girl passed out drunk at a party and taking advantage of her/getting a girl so liquored up she cannot defend herself from a sexual assault. The former is consentual sex, the other two are far from it. That’s the key to rape. And if you read soulmurkurk’s post again, you’ll see that they in no way implied that you were that type…just that you’re apparently too young and immature right now to distinguish between the two. I’d have to agree to some extent, because you’re being overly deffensive about a personal attack that did not happen. Calm down and read posts properly before you start fights on the board, because it just makes you look bad (and so far, it doesn’t look like you’re gaining many fans here).
I do respect one guy who sleeps around: he has a “don’t care” attitude, and girls flock to him because of it. I wish I could be like that (well, without alcohol that is.) I, however, also respect women who have the same attitude. I have never thought of a woman as a “slut”. I have also never thought of a guy as a “stud”.
If, however, this guy were to constantly brag about his conquests, or if I were to hear about questionable tactics used in the pursuit of women, I would lose respect for him. Same goes for women.
Oh please. So are they raping you if you have had more to drink than they have? :rolleyes:
Now, I do not call a guy who sleeps with a lot of women (or men) a “stud”, nor do a call a woman who sleep with a lot of men (or women) a “slut.” I might have a little more respect for the abilities of the guy, simply because as a general rule it tends to be a little more difficult for guys to get large numbers than it does for girls, but mostly I would wonder about their apparent inability to have a long term relationship.
How far up your ass did you have to dig to pull this from? Does this “law” also include cough syrup, tylenol, and such? Please, offer all us degenerates a cite.
And for someone who got so super defensive about “being accused of being a rapist,” you sure have no qualms throwing around such harsh insults yourself. Calm down and quit making such an ass of yourself.
It only becomes a double standard when a man vilifies a woman for being promiscuous while he allows himself and men in general to do so and considers it a boon or even respectful.
And it goes the other way too. It becomes a double standard when a woman condemns a man for being promiscuous, or alternately specifically promotes it due to her personal preference for experience, all the while not holding herself or her gender in general to the same standards.
In essence, it is a double standard when someone holds a blanketing standard to one gender but freely holds themselves and the other gender to a different standard, but it is not when someone merely finds certain characteristics to their liking and seeks those traits out in a potential mate.
As to transitionality’s asinine comments, I see no point in entertaining them any further as he’s been applaudably banned for being the troll that he is.
Okay, I think I get what you mean, those things in and of themselves aren’t “double standards”? I guess I’d kind of agree with that, in a way.
Other than, why would a man WANT a woman who is less experienced? If it’s because he may or may not feel intimidated by the men that might have come before him?
Seems as if he’s enacting a sort of “double standard” upon himself. Most women aren’t that judgmental of a man’s “performance”.
But if it’s becuase he’s still thinking along the lines of “women you marry, and women you…”. Then it’s still a double standard, at least on his part.
As to the women wanting men with more experience? Hmmmmmm. This is sort of beside the point, but that’s more a question of logic. She wants a man who’s experienced because she wants pleasure out of the deal.
The thing is that “large number of partners does NOT=Good in bed”. So, the men that do do that to themselves (and the women) are kind of being a bit premature in thinking we might be judging them on this.
And then if they turn around and decide they need a “less experienced” woman so that in comparison they won’t “look bad”.
So, with the whole, thing, they’re judging both themselves, and the possibility that the woman might be judging them, and then turning around and judging HER based on her potential for juding HIM (aaaaagggh, I just made myself dizzy lol).
Sorry, I’ve not said the above to disagree, just to make sure I understand what you were getting at. Is that it?
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MORE women would feel free to not feel as if they “had” to be in it for love, and more of us might take a freer approach to sharing sex, simply for the pleasure of sharing sex.
No, I know you weren’t saying that, it was just a "Hey, think about this for general “consumption” that I threw out there.
In response to the thread title, I voted for Clinton twice, so make of that what you will.
But to be accurate, I don’t respect or disrespect people solely on their sexual habits, though contextually it may swerve the respect-o-meter one way or another when coupled with other traits.
Not that I mind so much, but is there a link to what pushed him out the door? I’ve looked over his past several posts, but so far see noone saying “That’s it, you’re out.” Just curious.
He’d been warned by more than one Mod for making personal insults to people. In one or two pit threads, and then just the overall “trolliness” of his manner of speech.
I think it was his final couple posts in the pit thread “You don’t look too bad, You just need a boob job”.
However, I do think it’s interesting that these men have somehow stumbled onto a method of social interaction that seems to get them lots and lots of action. By observing them, I might be able to learn how I could get laid.
There are times when holding the moral, or at least personal, higher ground and not succumbing to the enticement of casual sex seems downright dumb.
I daresay that anyone out there that doesn’t have sex just for its own sake and has hormones has, at some point, questioned their standards and considered just giving in.
I may seem to come across as a prude, but that’s far from the case. I love sex. Can’t get enough of it. But the thought of having it with just anyone is a turn off if anything and though I have to remind myself sometimes, it’s always so much better with someone you care for.
I agree that there does seem to be, frustratingly so at times, an inordinate amount of “studs” scoring with an almost unbelievable amount of women with alarming frequency. That, however, I don’t think speaks of any skill on the man’s part so much as revealing the woman’s character or the situational circumstances.
That doesn’t mean I think casual sex is bad or that participating in it makes anyone less of a person or demarcates anything but horniness, but you do have to consider the traits of women that are continually consenting to sexual relations with men that are known by all to be insincere and only out for one thing. That goes beyond mere horniness and perhaps hints at self-image issues.
If you really want their strategy laid out for you: be bold, single-minded, and unafraid or deterred by rejection. It also helps to lie your ass off and say anything you think they want to hear.
I think there’s more than one kind of stud. There are the guys who have already been discussed, who determinedly seek out women and seduce them using whatever lies and subterfuges work. No respect there, because of the lies and subterfuge.
Then there are situational studs, like a lot of rock stars and athletes, who have women literally throwing themselves at them. I envy them. I don’t respect them because they get so much sex, but I don’t disrespect them either for that reason. They’re just regular guys doing what regular guys would ordinarly do when women are following them to their hotel rooms and jumping in their beds.
Finally, there what I would call natural studs, guys like Warren Beatty who just seem to be human catnip to women. Beatty is a famous actor, so he isn’t well known, but I knew a couple of guys like him in college, who only seemed to need to raise their arm to have some cute little coed snuggled under it. They didn’t chase women, women just seemed naturally attracted to them. Maybe pheremones or something. No cause for respect or disrespect, but since they were mellow, easygoing guys, I guess they were more respected than not.
