Nor are his usual tactics and his comments to the cameras after the verdict are evidence for both. It’s finally dawning on him that he’s in some serious shit and it scares him.
I’m pretty sure that this one would go to the Supreme Court of New York. Criminal stuff like this can’t be appealed outside of the state AFAIK, unless it’s a question of Constitutional law, which this is most assuredly not.
Yeah, if you’ve ever seen “Orange is the New Black”, that was a minimum security prison. Something tells me Trump ain’t going to like that much.
No it isn’t but they’ll appeal under some sort of pretext and the six Conservatives on SCOTUS could do anything.
True, he probably doesn’t really mind the “felon” part. The “convicted” part, however…
I agree that there is no question of constitutional law in the Trump hush money matter, but I can see him urging his lawyers to elevate it through the New York appeals, so he can apply to the Supreme Court of the United States. There, he would claim that the constitutional issue would be, “Does the New York court’s gag order violate the First Amendment?”
It doesn’t, since courts impose gag orders every day, and to declare such things unconstitutional would hamstring courts and the process of justice. Besides, I don’t think that SCOTUS is in as much of the bag for Trump as Trump thinks it is. (I’m picturing Trump telling his lawyers, “Get it to the Supreme Court. I put them there; they owe me!”)
Besides, the Supreme Court only hears a select number of matters a year, out of the thousands that apply for certiorati, and I cannot see this one making that cut. Not on such a dumb question, anyway.
“I’ve got convictions. Nobody’s ever heard of more convictions than me!”
The problem is that you exaggerate. There have been cases where rich and/or famous people have gone jail. You’re correct when you say that on the average they don’t spend as much time in jail as people who aren’t rich spend there for the same crimes. Still, you don’t need to exaggerate:
It isn’t Trump’s alleged wealth that seems to weird people out about incarceration, it’s the fact that he’s a former president.
In Before:
‘They only do that so the Powers That Fucking Be, the heads of the government and holders of the wealth can fool us into thinking that the rich and/or famous actually go to jail!’
Who are these powers that be though? Trump thinks George Soros (who happens to be Jewish) is behind his prosecution. He also thinks Biden is somehow behind it. But who are the equivalents on the other side? Who is protecting Trump right now? Who is his Soros/Biden who can get him out of trouble?
Is it the Republicans in the Congress and Senate? They queef a lot and they write angry letters and they complain on Fox News but thus far I haven’t seen them actually accomplish anything.
Is it the Supreme Court? They may eventually play a role in this case once Trump has exhausted all other appeals. But hey, have you noticed how closely they are being scrutinized right now? There is a justice who is in the news right now because of a flag flying upside down at his house. Every time they do something that looks to be in Trump’s favor it is all over the news. They are already regarded as highly partisan. I suppose they could continue trashing their own reputation to save a convicted criminal who is obviously trying to evade justice. I wouldn’t put it past them. But they can’t do it quickly and Trump doesn’t have much time left.
Is it some rich person like Elon Musk? I have seen headlines that indicate wealthy folks generally prefer Trump, presumably because he will lower their taxes. I get that low taxes is catnip to the wealthy but Trump doesn’t offer stability. His economic policies were garbage and that is something for which there is plenty of data.
I also reject the notion that Trump is one of them. He is not one of them. He desperately wants to be one of them and he has tried to beg, borrow and steal his way in which has only ensured that they hate him all the much more. He isn’t rich! Real rich people hate his guts and they are only ever nice to him so that he doesn’t focus his crazy on them.
Last but not least, how does one go about keeping a very guilty man out of jail? Are various officials bribed? How exactly do we grease the wheels here? And how is it done with complete secrecy despite the 24 hour news cycle? Trump couldn’t cover up a payment to a porn star but some unseen benefactor is going to keep him out of jail with no one ever being the wiser? If so, how? Who makes the approach? Who receives the approach and accepts it? Who covers it up and how? Or if it is done in plain sight, where can we see some other examples of this happening?
What, I’m supposed to take mockery and impugnment from Straight Dope strangers as my due for disagreeing with you, and if I resist that treatment, then I’m a crazy person who wears tin foil hats? Am I expected to just accept what I’m told by sarcastic, dismissive partisans are “the facts” and change my mind to conform with those partisans, when they’ve started in with right away with the righteous hostility? BTW, the foil-hat routine went stale a long time ago.
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Hey dumbass: your sarcasm and irony meters need adjustment. [/quote]
Sarcasm is just mockery, not a valid persuasive argument about anything. If you think mockery is a substitute for substance, you’re the type of person who just likes making fun of people, not fit to discuss jackshit. As for your edifying attempt at blowing me off with your retort that
- How much you say, how little you know.
- Any of those minimum security FPCs would indeed be comfy and cushy compared to the accommodations I could expect to get if I got convicted of 34,or even half that many, felonies. You have yet to address that discrepancy.
- How little you know, how much you say.
I’m not ignorant; I know that, for all your insistence otherwise, any of those minimum security FPC institutions would be a paid vacation compared to what I or anyone I know could expect to get if we were sentenced for multiple felony crimes,.
Sorry, your OP was hot garbage. No, Trump isn’t going to a country club prison to work on his golf swing. No, if you were convicted of the same Class E felonies and were a first time offender, you wouldn’t be locked up forever. Yes, there are different standards in this country based on race and class. Newsflash!
Trump being convicted for his corruption matters. Trump losing in civil court for his acts of sexual abuse matter. Is he going to get what he deserves for a lifetime of arrogant law-breaking? Doubtful. But it matters. It’s a start. It’s a big honkin’ deal, friendo.
What’s your point? That most American prisons are so hellish that a few “good ones”, which are still rotten hellscapes compared to what countries with actual true criminal rehabilitation capabilities (like, say, Finland), seem like decent places in comparison?
American prisons are still hellscapes. Trump has never spent a single night in anyplace one one hundredth as bad as the best one. He’s never been told what to do for every moment of his day.
I don’t know if he’ll actually go to prison, but your analysis of American prison is dumb as hell.
My point is that if they did lock him up, it would be somewhere a Hell of a lot nicer and easier than I or most of the population would get sent for anywhere near that number of crimes, or even less. You might think common criminals merit harsher treatment than do soft-handed white collar crooks; I (dis)respectfully disagree.
No one has said that here.
Others have said it far better than I can; your OP was way off the mark.
Yes, and water is wet. So what? Do you want to make a post about how bears shit in the woods?
A coworker of my gf’s came out to experience “life in the country” a few years back. We went for a long hike in the woods. The visitor shouted, all excited that she’d found bear shit. I walked over to find her poking at a pile of fecal matter.
I had to point out that no matter what commercials might depict, bears do not use toilet paper.
Let me see if I can help you understand. We don’t tend to respond well to being scolded. And, yes, your OP did come off as being a scolding. You’re correct that the America-hating fuckstick’s conviction doesn’t represent the dawn of a new golden age for political discourse in the USA. But the thing is, nobody here has characterized it as being one. We’ve just been blowing off some steam in response to what is actually the biggest honkin’ deal that we’ve been favored with since he rode down that escalator in 2015.
Yes, even bigger than Biden winning the 2020 election. The America-hating fuckstick successfully poured cold water on any euphoria that brought us right away.
And now that we’re expressing some gratification at the fact that our slide into a dystopian hellscape has been pushed back another day, here you are scolding us for that, and pounding away at your thesis that we’re already living in a dystopian hellscape. That’s gonna generate some pushback.
Any mockery that you’ve gotten is probably related to the stridency and hyperbole of the arguments you’re putting forward. If there were some evidence of complacency around here, your jeremaiad might not be so dissonant, and you might be getting less flak. But you, who has the most to gain personally from any such evidence being brought to light, have provided us with bupkis.