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Heh. They’re the Alex Rodriguez (or Kobe Bryant, if you prefer) of popular music.
Maybe A-Rod, but that dude is significantly tainted. Kobe doesn’t give a shit if you like him or not, which amazingly, makes him more likable now. Pre-Colorado, they tried to make him into Michael Jordan II, which didn’t work, because you knew he was a dick. Now that the world knows he’s a dick, there aren’t any ads showing him high-fiving kids. Basically, it’s him being a dick, but a dick that’s determined to drop 60 points on your ass. And that works. I don’t think Kobe’s liked, but he’s respected as an athlete.
A-Rod before his various clay-feet moments is a good analogy. There’s an innocence about Coldplay… they might be the Derek Jeter of music. Damned good, clean and fresh-faced, scandal-free, can occasionally laugh at themselves… but if you like your players with a little grit, detestable. (Maybe that’s the Sox fan in me talking.)
Who’s the David Ortiz of rock?
Or, if you mean White Sox, who’s the, um, Jim Thome of rock (is he still in Chi?)
If we’re sticking with recent rock history, that would probably be Weezer’s Rivers Cuomo: make a big splash upon your debut with a major label/ large market team, make a few critically and financially successful smash hit albums/ win a couple of World Series, then suddenly plummet off a cliff without warning in your mid-30s.
So you think gay people are weak, timid and unmanly? Is that your homophobic connection? I’m really not seeing where homosexuality even remotely plays into this conversation.
You do know that homophobic refers to a fear or irrational hatred of gay people? Calling Coldplay’s music “wuss rock” in no way crosses into that territory. Coldplay is not gay (AFAIK), they do not sing music specifically for gay people, the term wuss does not refer to gay people. I can’t think of a single item in this thread that is gay related.
Is this some kind of whoosh? If not, stop crapping on the thread.
So, because they are not self-obsessed, drug-crazed assholes with anger management issues they have no “creative tension”? I don’t get it. Creativity has nothing to do with anti-social qualities. I’ve known brilliantly creative people who are sweet, wonderful people and brilliantly creative people who are infected hemorrhoids. Or are you saying that there is nothing to sell, a la the train wreck that is Amy Winehouse.
I’d interpret it as “their boring personalities produce boring music”.
I’d go a little deeper. Plenty of acts have had (IMO) boring personalities. I find Simon and Garfunkel or Lennon and McCartney to be boring individuals. (We can debate whether they actually were boring elsewhere). But those personalities clashed with one another. That prevented them from producing boring music.
Conversely many acts have had members that all basically got on OK, but they were interesting enough people in their own right to produce interesting music
Acts like Coldplay, among many others, have the worst of both worlds. You’ve got boring people being yes-manned by boring people. And the product is, well, boring.
Like the OP I don’t mind Coldplay, I had a friend years ago who gave me a CD to listen to. Two days later I couldn’t remember a single verse of a single song except for the current hit.
I don’t dislike it. When no easy alternative presents itself I’ll happily consume it. But it’s bland and unmemorable. It’s the McDonald’s of popular music.
As a Twins fan, I say you missed the mark 'cause Rivers didn’t quit the band he came up with and go join a richer, more famous band… but as a Weezer fan, I appreciate the jest.
True, and borne out by the fact that Lennon and McCartney went on to make fairly boring music as solo artists. I think you’ve hit the nail on the head WRT Coldplay.
Hey, I like Coldplay fine… I’m just trying to figure out why they have such disdain. This might be a reason, I dunno.
Amy Winehouse sucks. I don’t think drama always equals good music. And wow, I couldn’t disagree more with the linking Lennon/McCartney to the “boring” group. I think Lennon desperately need McCartney to make his edgy stuff listenable, and at times Macca needed the edge from Lennon. Their solo stuff suggests that’s the case.
I think you misread - that was exactly the point, that Lennon and McCartney (together) had enough tension that they weren’t a boring group, but Coldplay lacks any of that tension/quality control.
I think it’s a little too popular to not coldplay. I can understand why. Their style is soft rock, and Chris Martin is possibly the wussiest band frontman there is. With his needy, weak lyrics and phrasing, his college education, and losing his virginity at 22.
But I think that people, in their desire to avoid being associated with this wussiness, distance themselves too much from the band, and even deny what is actually pretty obvious: They’re brilliant pop melodicists. This is especially evident in their best songs, Yellow and Clocks, but neither of their first two albums contain a weak track. They are dedicated to their music. When they were composing Fix You, they tried hundreds of different guitar solo variations, meticulously selecting the best one.
I expect that this band will get renewed appreciation in a couple of decades, similar to what happened with The Monkees.
Touche, although I did try to make that comparison with the small/large market team vs independent/ major label bit. But I’ll grant that it doesn’t fit very well.
Let’s just hope Ortiz doesn’t grow the same moustache.
I think this is right. And if, God forbid, Chris Martin breaks up with Gwyneth, and writes a vitriol-laced tirade against her, they’ll gain some fans.
There’s nothing wrong with Coldplay. It’s just like the class prefects started a band and it became successful. They’re perfectly good and talented, but nowhere near approaching slightly dangerous.
Pretty ridiculous.
Oh? Do tell. Blake did a pretty good job of expanded on the idea upthread. All you’ve done is overrate Jeff Buckley, toss out allegations of homophobia, and responded to my interpretation with an assertion backed up by nothing. We’ve done this pissing match thing before, going back and forth with “is not!”/“is, too!”, and it bores me. If you want to actually offer cogent arguments, I’ll go at it all night with no ill will - I enjoy aesthetics debates - but while I know you’re the self-proclaimed arbiter of all matters cinematic, I’m pretty sure my musical knowledge dwarfs yours, so have at it.
He’s got you there. Can’t argue with his logic, so quit being homophobic :rolleyes:
Seriously, do you have anything to add, or do you just look for threads to crap on? We’re talking about Coldplay for god’s sake.