So...I saw Coldplay

First of all, I’m not gonna waste my time trading qualifications, but frankly, while it’s certainly possible that your musical knowledge dwarfs mine, it’s highly unlikely. Several people on these boards know me IRL, and most of them can tell you that the population of people whose musical knowledge “dwarfs” mine is pretty infinitesimal.

But again, since this thread is opinion and not fact, that’s irrelevant to the discussion, so I’m not gonna bother comparing piss streams.

As far as my “ridiculous,” I felt like I was pretty much just backing up gaffa’s post; he disproved your ridiculous assertion pretty handily.

And while I acknowledge your right to the opinion that I “overrated” Jeff Buckley, frankly I’m not too threatened by the likelihood of being “dwarfed” by someone who’s too ignorant about the last couple decades of pop music to see Buckley’s influence in the artists I mentioned, among countless others.

There you go assuming again, the know-it-all’s main defense. How do you determine that I’m ignorant of the last couple decades of pop music - because I don’t share your fanaticism regarding Jeff Buckley? I never said he wasn’t (somewhat) influential; just that he tends to influence artists like Coldplay and Rufus Wainwright, which isn’t necessarily a ringing endorsement.

But speaking of ignorant, you’re the one who claimed he"gave male singers permission to sing again, and not just grunt and growl and bark, like the grunge and hiphop artists that were popular when he showed up in the mid 90s", as if 90s music was a monolithic entity and nobody else actually “sang”. As far as the Flaming Lips, you do realize, surely, that Transmissions from the Satellite Heart came out a year before Buckley’s debut, and was already beyond garage punk at that point and contained many elements of their future sound (as did, to a lesser degree, their previous album, Hit to Death in the Future Head)? Of course you do - you’re so knowledgeable about music compared to us plebes. Just because you make sweeping statements like you’re a music critic for the Village Voice doesn’t mean you can’t overrate things. You want to swing dicks some more? Here’s a music geek hypothetical for you: if Grant McLennan (of The Go-Betweens, I’m sure I don’t need to tell you) had died in '86 or so, there’d be as big a cult around him as there is around Buckley, and you’d probably be getting all het up over what an influential genius he was to all the philistines.
“So Real” is a damned nice song, though.

Oh, and as far as gaffa’s post, Blake addressed his(?) interpretation specifically and gave a more nuanced reading of what was meant, which you’d have noticed if you bothered to listen to anybody who didn’t agree with you 100%.

Related pit thread here.

Dude it’s pretty embarrassingly childish of you to keep harping on my claims of absolute knowledge, considering that I only referred to my own knowledge in response to your *dwarfing *omniscience. I make no claim to know all there is to know, by any means; I only point out that, if you knew me, you’d know that *dwarfing *is NOT the word you would likely use in this context. It’s possible, it’s even likely, that you know as much or more than I do about music; but the discrepancy in our respective knowledge bases is highly unlikely to be so monumentally huge as to admit of the verb dwarfing. So again, if anyone here deserves ridicule for claiming a *dwarfing *level of knowledge, it’s not me bub, but you.

In any case.

Your claims of the irrelevancy of Buckley’s influence on Flaming Lips, e.g., based on the fact that they did not make a 180º change in their style doesn’t fly because I never made such a claim. Of course a band that had zero inclination in that direction would be highly unlikely to suddenly go all Buckley overnight. But there’s no question in my mind whatsoever that the evolution of style that came about in such bands as Flaming Lips, Mercury Rev, Radiohead, Spacemen3–>Spiritualized, was strongly fueled by the revelation that *Grace *represented. Not to mention the path forged by these bands for such other artists as Sigur Rós, the Beta Band, Mum, and of course Coldplay.

Done participating in the threadshitting over here, and my apologies to the OP and others who were trying to have a reasonable discussion. lissener, we can continue this in the Pit thread, or I’ll just cede victory to you here so this thing can get back on track.

I’m sorry. Little person?

Look, you seem to drool over Buckley with a zombie-like devotion that’s usually only seen in Streisand fans, and it clearly is clouding your thoughts. So here’s a suggestion, and really, it’s purely a suggestion, so please don’t attack me with your rapier-like wit, because you’re obviously the smarter person here, but how about STARTING YOUR OWN THREAD ABOUT JEFF BUCKLEY AND STOP SHITTING IN THIS ONE. Really, you’ve already insulted everyone in it, and left us all scratching our heads in puzzlement, so if you stop crapping in it, it will probably die within a day.
Just hit the New Topic button and type in “Jeff Buckley: Great Musician, Bad Swimmer” or whatever you want and have a strokefest. You can get all your RL friends to tell you how great you are.

Heh.

Ah. In other words, you’re not going to respond to the reply I supplied after you explicitly requested it. A simple apology for being so obnoxiously pompous about your dwarfingly superior knowledge would suffice just as well.

MODERATOR INTERJECTION
Whoa, lost4life: personal insults are not permitted in this forum. If you want to describe another poster as drooling and devoted and witty, go to the forum called BBQ Pit. In this forum, we can have civil discussions about art/entertainment without resorting to name-calling. It is possible to have differences of opinion without insulting each other: that’s what makes art/entertainment interesting.

Next: If you think that someone has been name-calling (if you think lissener has been “insulting everyone” or thread shitting, then the proper response is to his the REPORT button and alert a moderator. When you respond in kind, then the moderator coming into the middle (a) has to read a hell of a lot of stuff that he/she isn’t interested in, and (b) winds up scolding both of you. I am rushed this morning, and I don’t have time to figure out who hit whom back first.

%&#*(@, lissener, one might think you’d know better by now: when someone insults you, REPORT it, and DO NOT RESPOND IN KIND.

Of course, that makes it easier for me, because now, I get to warn both of you: refrain from personal insults in this forum.

Okay, now I’m really lost. You didn’t read the thread, yelled at me, then told Lissener what to do when HE’s insulted? I apologize, next time I’ll report the thread so you can take proper action :rolleyes:.

To be fair, my saying my musical knowledge probably dwarfs his hardly constitutes an insult, unless you happen to be insane.

ETA: Royal “you”, not you personally.

However it happens to be an obnoxious thing to say. And taking extra digs at a poster after he’s received a mod warning is a bad idea, even if the dig is made in hypothetical form, so no more of that, thanks.

Further comments about moderating should go in ATMB, just in case anybody wants to return to Coldplay.

And his marying Gwenyth Paltrow instead of banging an endless parade of skank-hos. Although I think it might be funny to see a “Adult Alternative Britpop of Love” reality show on VH1.

Just about any live music is pretty decent, at least for a while.

A bit late to this thread, but wanted to share my recent Coldplay experience. I am a Coldplay fan and have been since Parachutes, but never could convince my die-hard Republican husband to attend a Coldplay concert with me. He dislikes Chris Martin and his politics and basically wrote him off as a wimp, calling the band’s music “bitchy and whiny”.

My daughter asked to go see Coldplay, however, when they came through Atlanta weeks ago and my husband begrudgingly caved and decided to take the family to the concert. My daughter and I had a really great time. Even as a fan, I thought the band might not be able to keep the energy level high, but they were amazing and Chris Martin was in top form.

The biggest surprise, however, was my husband’s reaction. He said that he was really impressed and had a great time - this from a man who had always voiced his disdain for the band.

As we left the show, we were handed a Coldplay CD, a live recording of 9 or 10 songs - basically a thanks from the band for attending their concert. It’s been in heavy rotation in my husband’s car CD player ever since.

If anyone wants it, you can download that live CD for free from the Coldplay website.

Rather than start a whole new thread, I’ll just post a followup here, and hope that it’s taken in the spirit in which it’s intended.
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When I read the OP, the word “wuss,” in context, seemed to me like it was half a shade from calling the members of the band faggots, seemingly defensively because the OP was a little bit ashamed of having liked them more than he expected. I’d never heard the idiom “wuss rock,” so I didn’t have any context but the OP.

It’s unfortunate that my post wasn’t seen as a topic of discussion, but only as a target of subsequent derision and insult. It’s also unfortunate that I responded in kind, rather than tried to keep the discussion on an even keel. Sometimes I can shake off a gratuitous insult; sometimes I’m not as good at that. I apologize to all and sundry for taking the bait.

For the record, I feel pretty sure if my comment about the sexism and homophobia inherent in the word “wuss” had been the beginning of a discussion, I would have acknowledged that that was an overstatement. I’m open to being proved wrong, in discussion and debate; I’m no more likely than the next guy to respond constructively to insult and disrespect in a forum where reasoned discussion is more generally the expectation. So while I don’t apologize for injecting a certain amount ofdebatability to the thread, I do apologize for not keeping the debate above the, uh, belt, as it were.

(Maybe this is a good point at which to share another opinion I hold: A negative opinion you disagree with is not automatically “threadshitting.” If the OP title had been “Coldplay rocks like GOD!” and I had come in and said “Coldplay SUCKS!”, THAT’S threadshitting. But a response that, first of all, basically agrees with the OP–that Coldplay doesn’t actually suck as much as their reputation would suggest–and then further tries to elucidate my understanding of the place Coldplay holds in the, uh, continuum of rock influences–how in the world is that threadshitting? Even taking exception to the OP’s choice of word, when I back up my objection by explaining exactly why I felt the word “wuss” was poorly chosen–again, debate, yes; threadshitting? No way. ¶ I can’t think of any reasonable standard by which my initial post could possibly be called threadshitting. The problem is, once someone drops that bomb–and as in this case, with the sole intention, it seemed to me, of stifling further discussion–all that’s left is defense. The word “threadshitting” now becomes the subject of discussion, and the original subject cannot be addressed again until its status as threadshit is resolved. Which, you ask me, makes the ill-considered dropping of the “threadshitting” bomb pretty darn godwinian and, well, pretty much like threadshitting.)

MODERATOR INTERVENES:
The question of whether a post is “threadshitting” is up to a moderator to decide, lissener, not up to you to set the standards. And there is no clear definition: we’ve all agreed that negative comments about an artist/entertainer in an obituary thread, for instance, is NOT threadshitting. If you, or someone else, thinks that a post is threadshitting… once again, REPORT it, don’t respond in kind.

And this long apologia [explanation] to justify your actions is not needed. One sentence would be fine. There’s an apology in there that you were ignorant of the term and jumped to unwarranted conclusions. That would have been sufficient. Don’t play junior mod. And THIS post is clearly totally tangential to the discussion at hand.

lissener: you may NOT post in this thread again.

Back to topic.