King of Spain: Instead of making me try to refute your countries without naming them, how about you list the ones you think are free, and we’ll examine them. Okay?
(OT: Sam, I’m pretty sure now that I was entirely misinterpreting your first post, and I do apologize.)
Anyway - if we’re going to try and figure out which Arab countries are “free,” I think we need to start by defining exactly what we mean by free. What are your criteria?
Source http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=105001848
For ADL link, see http://www.adl.org/special_reports/franklin_prophecy/franklin_documenting_fraud.html
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*Originally posted by december *
** However, there are other Middle Eastern Arabs and nations who [ul][li]Kill large numbers of Israeli civilians [/li][/QUOTE]
Really? Never knew that Palestine was more than one country. And terrorist organizations fall far short of being a country. Isreali citizens live in Isreal, hence they are called Isreali citizens.
There were skirmishes in the past between Isreal and Egypt, and Isreal and Syria, and Isreal and Iraq…but that was in the past. It isn’t occuring now. Now, it’s one country directing hatred towards Isreal.
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[li]Preach anti-semitism and publish anti-Semitic material[/li][/QUOTE]
I hate to say this, but they have good reason. Their land was stolen from them. Now, I don’t agree with the tactics the terrorist groups and the PLO uses(i.e.-suicide bombings, killing innocent civilians), but are you aware of the fact that when Palestine was partitioned under the UN in 1947, that Arabs made up more than 90% of the population! The Jews in Palestine were less than 10%.(Exact population numbers were Arabs-600,000 and Palestinian Jews-56,000). They’ve got reason to be mad, at least in my opinion anyways. The Palestinians got the but end of things. They’re tactics could deffinately use some change though.
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[li]Financially support the aforementioned activities[/li][/QUOTE]
That is true. However, don’t forget that the United States’ record isn’t exactly polished either. Fidel Castro agreed to support capitalism if the U.S. helped to put him in power…hmmm…that worked real well. I’m not trying to turn focus, I’m just saying that you can’t center all the heat on Arab nations. There is more to the globe.
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[li]Murder large numbers of their own citizens.[/ul][/li][/QUOTE]
Sadam Hussein does remind me of Hitler…But as of recently, I haven’t heard of any other than Iraq killing it’s own citizens, and even that was 10 years ago.
I’m not trying to be a butt, and what I’ve written may not make much sense, but I just don’t understand why you think you can stereotype numerous Arab nations as being “Nazi”. Someone please explain. 
One of the enduring impressions I have of Nazism is the reliance that the Jews had, call it wishful thinking, when they were asked to organize and register. The result of course facilitated the thoroughness of the massacre. There were many instances of deception that caused many Jews to make decisions contrary to their best interests.
The willingness to take Arafat at his word has resulted in much more protection for terrorists once the Palistinian Authority was allowed to take place. We now see much more evidence that the aspirations of many Palistinians is the complete destruction of the State of Israel.
The basis however of the Palistinian hatred for Jews has roots in legitimate anger. The German hatred however was completely unfounded.
As far as the Jews in Israel are concerned the distinction has little relevance to their survival. In both cases, Germans in the 1940’s and Arabs today, the Jews are outsiders that poisin the homogeneity of their ethno-religious environment.
While there is no doubt that the original U.N. partitioning of the area into ‘Palestine’ and ‘Israel’ left a lot of Palestinians angry and justifiably so, there weren’t a lot of better choices. In fact, I can’t think of one.
But that may explain Palestinian anger towards the Jews. It doesn’t explain the anger of other countries in the area, who have no love of Palestinians. The reason the Palestinians wound up in refugee camps in the first place is because other Arab nations refused to absorb them, and in fact have in the past ejected Palestinians from their own territory.
The Israelis are simply being scapegoated by a number of these countries, to mask their own brutalities. EXACTLY what the Nazis did. Do you really think that Saddam gives one hoot what happens to Palestinians? Yet when the Gulf war broke out, the first thing he did was try to drag Israel into the conflict by launching scuds at them. This was a bald attempt to use the death of Israelis to try and turn Arab opinion against the coalition and turn the conflict into another Arab/Israeli war instead of a Madman/victim war.
As for other countries killing Israelis… Of COURSE they have. Israel has been attacked by every country on its borders, multiple times. Iran was just caught shipping 50 tons of weapons to terrorists for use against Israel. At the Arab summit last week a resolution was passed to authorize a transfer of 150 million dollars in funding to terrorist organizations dedicated to the destruction of Israel.
The only reason to date that the Israelis haven’t suffered a second holocaust at the hands of the Arabs is simply because Israel is much better at fighting wars.
sailor, Turkey is in a civil war against the Kurds. The Kurds have engaged in terroristic acts against Turkey for decades. The emnity is such that Turkey has explicitly expressed no interest in the impending US invasion of Iraq. This is the holdup: Turkey thinks that the Kurds in the south will join the Kurds in northern Iraq and form a nation very hostile to Turkey.
Neither Djibouti nor Somalia are Arab,although they are members of the Arab league. Politics, too much to explain here. Mauretania has a huge non-Arab “black” minority --although “arabs” there are often as black as blacks.
Hundreds of years, not thousands.
Bahrain is now a democracy. Relative freedom of press obtains in Morocco. Jordan’s government is one thing, its Palestinian derived population is another.
Saudi Arabia is clearly no longer calling for its destruction – I followed Abdullah’s speech live, he meant it. Whether it is good enough is another question. Lebanon isn’t a big Arab state, it’s hardly a state. The problem is Syria. Syria is the key.
I agree that Syria is a big part of the problem, and this was highlighted by their actions during the Arab summit. It was Syria that prevented Arafat’s speech from being broadcast. It was Syria that added the text praising the intifada if I’m not mistaken. I also believe it was Syrian insistence that put the right of return back in the Saudi proposal, making it an immediate non-starter.
But there’s plenty of blame to go around. Saudi Arabia has been a major financier of terrorism throughout the Middle East and the world, and Saudi Arabia is responsible for mutating Islam into a much more virulent, militant religion by trying to intermix wahhabist doctrine into it. Iran has been funding terrorists and inciting violence in the region.
Of all these countries, I think Jordan is the only one that has really been seeking an honest, normalized relationship with Israel. Egypt has honored its peace with Israel, but it’s an uneasy one.
Saddam is currently a big part of the problem, because he is paying $25,000 to the families of anyone willing to become a suicide bomber. I suspect that the recent increase in bombings carried out by unlikely suspects such as women or non-religious Palestinians has to do with that. Hell, if someone offered $100,000 for anyone willing to blow himself up in the United States, he’d probably find a number of takers. People in dire financial difficulties who are suicidal in the first place, etc.