So, my two-year-old is reading . . .

Actually, the first time she read a few words to me she was only 13 months old. She is now in a reading program at her pre-school, and they had to start working with her one-on-one because the six-year-olds couldn’t keep up with her. :eek:

This may sound like bragging, but anyone who’s been through it knows, I am begging for help and advice here.

I was also way ahead of my age group, though not by as much (read at 3, read the newspaper every morning before Kindergarten) and school was a complete nightmare for me. Our local school system does have a gifted/talented program, but it starts in third grade; that’s not really going to cut it here. I don’t want her twiddling her thumbs and losing interest in learning for the next 6 years the way I did.

So, any advice, especially from people who were advanced themselves, skipped grades, etc. would be greatly appreciated. What did the schools/ your parents do that helped? What turned out to be a mistake for you? (I’ve gotten some very mixed reviews about skipping grades)

What do you wish you could go back and tell them?

And does anyone know of schools out there which would be right for her now? We have one not far off called Nysmith, but it starts at age three, and costs over $3,000 a month (And that’s JUST for the school year, I’d still need a solution for the summertime.) I’m willing to re-locate if I can find work near the “right” school.

I have to work, so I can’t stay home with her, and she’s very social so I’d like her to be with lots of kids anyway.

Even just good questions that might help me think this through would be appreciated. It seems that the best educational strategy for her will look nothing like the norm.

Thanks all!

Have you looked in to Montesorri education?

Have you considered that someone has switched your two-year-old for a seven-year-old?

I skipped third grade AND changed schools, and it was hard on me. It’s hard to say which was the cause, though - I changed from a public school in a nice part of town to a Catholic school in a more working class area of town, and the kids seemed VERY different socially to me. The age was part of it - second graders are still little kids, whereas fourth graders are starting to get interested in the opposite sex, and that was a big change for me.

Also, my mother really dropped the ball on getting me up to speed on some of the schoolwork. A big thing that happens in third grade is you learn the multiplication tables. My mother made a half-hearted effort to teach them to me that summer, but she was busy (I am the youngest of 5 kids), we were moving from one house to another, and it just didn’t get done. I failed the first test I took in fourth grade math - the first F I got in my life (it may have been the first non-A I had ever gotten) - and I was devastated.

I eventually came through it all right, but I remember lying in bed late at night on and off many times over my 4th-7th grade lifetime, dreading getting up and going to school the next day. I think I’d be a slightly different person if I hadn’t skipped a grade and stayed in the first elementary school I went to. (In my parent’s defense, they fought hard to try to keep me in the first school, but the local powers-that-be wouldn’t allow it since we were moving across town.)

Thank you very much, this is just the sort of feed-back I need!

I had a similar problem with multiplication tables. When I jumped from “regular” 2nd grade to the “G/T” third grade, the math teacher moved us straight from addition/subtraction to algorythms and long division. We struggled. . .

This also required a change of schools, and it didn’t help that my brother told all the neighborhood kids that I had been moved to a school for “retards.” :rolleyes: So much for neighborhood friends. . .

Do you think it would have fixed, (or largely mitigated,) the problem if you’d had, say a softball team with kids your own age?

I was another early reader. My parents were big on workbooks. I think Walgreens sold them, but I could be mistaken, and I don’t know if they are still available. They covered all the basic categories (math, reading comp, grammar) and were available at several different age levels. Just grab books for whatever level your kid’s at.

Ooh, and science kits! Er… maybe not just yet. When your kid is a bit older, a chem set or a multipurpose set could be quite fun. Your best bet might be to check out a teachers’ supply store.

Upon review, maybe that’s not what you’re looking for.

I never skipped a grade, but I did get transferred to a “Gifted Center” in fourth grade. The jump in the difficulty of the work was pretty big (this school had each grade level working 2 grade levels ahead), and socially, I was never very outgoing to begin with, and making friends was… hard. I coped. Educationally, transferring me to a more challenging school was likely the best possible move by my parents.

Consider that while your child is advanced (I think highly advanced but I’m no educator) in the area of reading and language, she might potentially be average or even less than average in other areas of learning, or in social development. So it might not be appropriate to accelarate her schooling across the board. You really don’t know yet so don’t freak out too badly.

Montesorri does sound like a great option if it is available and affordable. I don’t have any personal experience, but it sounds fascinating.

I was reading well before kindergarten and they were taking me out of class in 1st grade to teach me fractions – what’s interesting is that my accelerated skills in math didn’t “stick” for whatever reason (I suspect myself of a slight dyscalculia ) but at any rate I ended up an average to poor math student, and I worked very hard and struggled with the work in middle school.

Luckily reading is probably one of the easiest subjects to enrich at home.

[Folgers]We’ve secretly replaced TruCelt’s two year old with a seven year old, and captured it on hidden camera. Let’s watch and see what happens…[/Folgers]

I found this article very interesting: Saving the Smart Kids.

I am kinda in the same boat - I noticed that my son could read shortly after he turned 3. He is now 5 and will be starting kindergarten in the fall. His preschool teachers have been very helpful and make sure he has books to read that are appropriate for his reading level. I haven’t done anything special except try to follow his interests, and make sure he has access to plenty of books and magazines.

I skipped a grade because of almost the exact same thing (reading at two). I don’t know if I would recommend it or not. I would have been bored to tears if I hadn’t, but I’ve never been particularly socially adept and it didn’t exactly help, you know? But I can’t imagine how much more boring it would have been to be back a year.

Celtling is definitely a social whiz. Where she got that from I’ll never know, as I’m a total introvert. She smiles and says “Hi” to anyone she sees, I tell the grown-ups she’s “running for Gov’ner.” (It’s a lot funnier with my southern accent behind it. . .) She loves other kids, and plays well with any age group. The perfect scenario would be for her to be with kids on her age AND her level. I’d love to find a school that gathers similar children at a young age.

Montessori is wonderful, but still has it’s limits. There are a lot of options in each classroom, but they are still limited to the age group. There do not tend to be reading materials in the pre-school classrooms for example. It’s probably safe to say that it would be the easiest type of class to customize though . . . hmmmmnn.

She is also very good with numbers, and understands addition and subtraction, although she’s not up to using the + - symbols yet. she can count to 20, and would probably know more if I’d worked with her on it. Her memorization is scary quick.

The only thing she’s having trouble with is colors, I suspect colorblindness, although I haven’t found a test that works for her yet.

The Centre Director and I separately came to the conclusion that she’ll have completed the first- and some second-grade coursework by the time she’s three. So while skipping grades helps a little, I don’t want my six-year-old surrounded by middle schoolers.

I’m also a little freaked out by the thought of her needing college level courses when she’s 11 or 12. Anybody here been through that? Did your parents go to class with you?

LOL’d this, thanks Shib!

While I wasn’t quite as advanced as your kid, I did read at three and was reading at a 3rd grade level when I entered kindergarten. I grew up in a tiny town that had one classroom per grade level, and my first grade teacher was an old-school stickler for curriculum she’d used for 30 years. I was waaaaay beyond drawing the hat over an a or the simple first grade math worksheets by that point, which delighted her, so she started me on higher level reading and math stuff. My parents and the district decided to skip me ahead to third grade the next year, which was great for me academically (at least, for some stuff; I was still waaaay advanced on reading) and they did put me in a pull-out gifted program for reading. But the particular classroom I skipped into had several kids who had been held back a year - so in effect I was in a classroom with most kids one and sometimes two years older than I was. Socially, this was disasterous - especially since all my friends were back in the second grade. Also, everyone knew I was a Smart Kid since the school was small enough that everyone knew who everyone else was.

I had a pretty miserable experience until we moved to the next town over the summer between 5th and 6th grade, and I was amongst kids who HADN’T known me since age 2 (when I started preschool) and I wasn’t even the youngest kid in the class anymore (a classmate had started first grade at 5; she was 8 days younger than I). I was still pretty advanced for reading and math (started being bussed to the high school for math in seventh grade which was another brand of fun entirely; imagine an 11-year-old 7th grader in a classroom with high school seniors - it was an education!) but the other subjects were sufficiently challenging and I didn’t skip any more grades.

Ultimately, by the time you hit the teen years, most kids are caught up, and the most benefit I got out of skipping a grade was graduating college at (barely) age 21. Now I’m 30 and it doesn’t make a bit of difference whatsoever that I learned to read when I was 3. Looking back, what probably would have helped me would have been some sort of extracurricular enrichment program where I was around other advanced kids like myself. Unfortunately, that wasn’t availible in the area where I grew up. If you find a Montessori program or something like it nearby, that might work well.

When people talk about social issues for the gifted (or for accellerated learners) they are not talking about introversion/extroversion or friendliness. They are talking about what happens when the child becomes aware that they are not like everybody else exactly. And when the other kids work out that this kid is not exactly like them. And when adults get the clue that there is something not quite the same about this one.

We have three generations of gifted folks in my family. (Okay, four. But my grandmother was so hampered by her social reality that it is difficult to sort out how that was for her). My father is scary smart and always was, a barefoot redneck in Mobile, Alabama in a social millieu where literacy was optional. He grew up with the notion that he really was not like everybody else and could never relate to regular people in a normal way except by faking it. In many ways he still suffers from that basic belief, even though he has known better for decades now. He spent much of his youth and early adult life using his intellect as a bludgeon and a barrier.

That same father raised me rather oddly: he treated my intelligence in exactly the same way he treated my hair color and height – as something that I had not earned but was given and had to learn to live with. He was determinedly only impressed with what I achieved through work, not what I achieved through native ability. So my scores on standardized testing did not cause him to look up from his newspaper but my winning an essay contest did. It worked out for me; other than opening doors for me my intellect has not notably improved my life but my persistence and resourcefulness certainly have.

I was sent to college every summer after sixth grade, but that was how gifted and talented worked back then, the local colleges and universities had programs. It was fun. AS I got into high school they probably should have paid better attention to the interaction between us and the college students who were looking after us…but hey, it was different then. I went to Catholic schools and they were very good for me. They were very much into the whole “everybody has gifts and all of them are important” thing and very much not into intellectual pride (one of the seven deadlies you know). I was a very difficult child I think it is fair to say and my father truly believes that what got me mroe or less happy through school was how my schooling was handled by the community.

My kids both attended Montessori; one still does. Let’s start with this: all Montessori schools are not alike. However, ours has been enormously flexible in addressing the learning needs of our kids. It does have its limits but everything has its limits including homeschooling.

Eldest now attends a speech and language school because he has a language disorder of unknown type. Here in Holland the education of kids with various special needs is very different so I don’t think his case will be helpful to you.

Youngest is still at the Montessori school. One of the advantages to this is that, because there is very little teaching to the class as a whole, in some ways the whole class is a pull out. So they bring him the materials from other classes and he does them in his own class. What they will do at the end is difficult to say, as gifted education in Holland is also, er, different. But I have to say, they are comitted to their kids and I have complete faith that we willl together come up with something.

So if you can only do one thing for your daughter, I would work on finding a place for her to be as she grows up that does not regard her as a trophy or an example or an academic performance, but as a whole person with many gifts and many weaknesses. A place where you are confident that when problems arise you can together come up with something.

Most of what I had to say has been well-said already. I wanted to add a little from my own experience. I wasn’t quite as precocious as Celtling, I learned to read at 4, and was also good at math (turned out math was even more my thing, I majored in it in college), so I skipped kindergarten. I remember at the time feeling deprived by this, since my little preschool friends were going to kindergarten and I had to go to real school (this was 40 years ago - kindergarten was less structured than it is now). But I got over that quickly enough, and soon was bored with many of my school subjects. I couldn’t imagine that the other kids couldn’t read yet. And in 2nd grade rather than having a teacher who recognized my potential and nurtured it, when I asked for more math problems because I was finished early, she wound up calling my mom in for a conference because she was concerned I was cheating! (Cheating how? It’s not like I was sneaking into the teacher’s answer book, and I was the most advanced in the class so I wasn’t copying another student! But I guess that’s what she was afraid of.) Anyway my mom stood up for me, and in fact I didn’t realize what was going on until many years later. Things went on pretty well, fortunately I matured early physically as well so I didn’t feel quite so different from the other girls when puberty came along.
As Marienee mentioned, there is definitely an awareness of being different, both on the “gifted” kid’s side and the other kids. Sometimes I was acutely aware of this, sometimes not so much. By the time I got to high school I had drifted into a small group of “the smart kids who also don’t fit into any other group”. It was a small school, so pretty much everyone was in all the extra-curricular activities, but there was still a division between us & them. Mostly not actual dislike, in either direction, but just a lack of understanding, and therefore distance.
But all along I had an underlying perception that I was special and perhaps better than the other kids. This was fostered by my parents, well mostly my mom. This was the biggest problem for me, as I wound up having all my self-worth tied up in my success in school. All through high school, no problem. College was a different story. Mom pushed me into all honors courses, which the first year included a lot of humanities stuff which is my weakest area, and I even had trouble with math & science (Due to my tiny high school, I was one of the few math majors who hadn’t already had calculus, and we had crappy science lab facilities so I was way behind on basic handling of equipment). Anyway, I actually wound up dropping out of college in my freshman year and changing my major to music, and from there it just got more confusing! I did eventually wind up getting a math degree at age 22 so I figure I was making up for the year I skipped kindergarten.
Anyhow, I wound up reasonably successful, though I’ve had multiple careers and now at 45 I’m a homemaker/farmer. It makes the most sense given my other life circumstances now, but not really what I assumed would happen.

Hmm, didn’t mean to make that background info quite so wordy… Anyway, I strongly agree that it’s very important to be aware that she’s going to figure out she’s different and be prepared to handle it. I’m sure there’s more than one right way to do it, but one wrong way is to make her think she’s better than others. I like what Marienee’s dad did with being more excited about achievements she worked hard for than things she was just born good at. (But also be careful with making her feel like nothing’s ever quite good enough “Yes honey you did better than everyone else, and better than you have before, but you could still improve this…”)
And maybe the fact that Celtling seems to be an extrovert will make it a little easier for her. I’m very introverted, so social relations were never easy (though as a child it seemed so because I always related well to adults; as an adult I don’t relate well to anyone…)
As far as what school to choose - I think the Montessori concept is great, but they do vary quite a bit. You might actually find somewhere that doesn’t call itself Montessori may do a better job tailoring her assignments to her specific needs. And her needs may change over the years, so she may need to change schools somewhere in there. Again, extroversion may make that a little easier.

I was a sixteen year old high school senior. It also meant I had a 25 year old boyfriend at 17 (we were both in the same college). It meant at 13 my friends were driving, and I was riding in their cars with them which limited my parents ability to enforce an appropriate 13 year old curfew (I’ll get a ride from Tim." Then if Tim didn’t drop me back off until 1am, well, I was dependent on Tim for the ride.) Oh, and I was a bored as all get out high school senior.

I’d be very careful about pushing ahead. I think you are better off looking for an appropriate charter school if you can find one. And if you can’t, taking on home enrichment and working with teachers.

My Mom says I could read words at age 2, and could read a newspaper by the time I was in kindergarten. My teacher didn’t realize I could read, and I wasn’t tested for gifted till I was in 3rd grade. It doesn’t seem like a big deal to me now, I can read a little faster than most people, but that’s about it. When I did have acedemic honors, I never felt like they were anything special, or that I deserved them. I was an outgoing kid too, but that didn’t help me make friends at all. I maybe should have been skipped a grade, but I’m not sure that would have helped. Also, when I was in gifted, I always felt stupid with things like math or logic (Tangram puzzles and the like) Also, a gifted kid (at least me) will have little patience with things they don’t “get” right away. Anyway, just wanted to offer my perspective. Sorry I don’t really have any helpful advice.

No, please, thanks to you and everyone for taking the time to type so much.

Yes, I meant to say that earlier but it slipped through.

I think perhaps I became an introvert after I began to notice how different I was. And after others began to comment on it. Although the extreme difunction in my family certaily helped. :rolleyes:

My closest friends today though are folks from that G/T program, and one or two that I’ve picked up along the way. I need people with whom I needn’t filter my vocabulary, or avoid trying to communicate abstract ideas. (That’s what draws me to the Dope! :D)

I’d love to see what will happen for Celtling if I can get her in a challenging environment with true peers early on.

I learned to read at age 3 (thanks, Sesame St. and Electric Company) and did not skip any grades. I was way ahead of my classmates in Reading and most language skills, but the rest were, I think, fairly on target for my age.

In 6th grade, I was promoted to a special higher level Reading class for a special select few who tested high enough to be promoted. While fun and interesting, it had so much homework I wasn’t able to keep up with all my other homework and I was disgraced by being placed back into the “regular” class. I was devastated and then bored to tears by the normal class.

In sophomore year of high school, I tried going to Honors Language class, but the teacher annoyed me and the type of work done wasn’t what I was interested in so it wasn’t until senior year that I tried again. This time, it was more of a free-form class and I loved it.

I’m somewhat introverted, but I’m not sure where that fits into all this.

I don’t know if this is useful at all, but take from it what you will…

Do you think age-appropriate after shool activities would have helped? Could you have developed better friendships with sports teammates or dance class buddies? Or do you think the intellectual divide would have quashed the friendships?