So, [Nugenix] endorsed by Frank Thomas is a complete scam, right?

The ads are myriad. A middle aged couple spots former MLB star Frank Thomas with 24" pythons, approach him and he cheerfully pronounces he is in great shape because of this testosterone supplement. He even reveals on the side to the male companions of the women enamored of the 50 year old overweight spokesmen that “your wife will be happy with it too.”

As a fellow 50 year old man, is there any chance this supplement has any possible value? In Frank Thomas’ defense this isn’t the first “testosterone” supplement or “program” to be introduced (mostly by radio DJs). Also GNC has been around for decades, with stores all over the place: surely, they wouldn’t place themselves in legal liability by selling complete snake oil?

Would they?

Well, let’s see (

I think you can have high confidence that most of the stuff at GNC is snake oil.

NUGENIX, not Eugenix. And the line is “She’ll like it, too.”
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Testosterone supplements are useful in treating hypogonadism.

NIH cite:

May Clinic cite:

Otherwise, testosterone supplements have not been proven to be useful, and are associated with an increased risk of heart attack, and may increase the risk for prostate cancer.

A study published in the New England Journal of Medicine had this to say:

From here:

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Thread title corrected: Eugenix -> Nugenix

I think eugenics is less of a scam than nugenix.

“At GNC (an investigation by the state attorney general’s office) found that five out of six samples from the company’s signature “Herbal Plus” brand of supplements “were either unrecognizable or a substance other than what they claimed to be.” In pills labeled ginkgo biloba, the agency found only rice, asparagus and spruce, an ornamental plant commonly used for Christmas decorations.”

Anabolic/androgenic steroids commonly “contaminate” supplement products. So no need to buy Nugenix, get your dose of testosterone or prohormones from something made in China and marketed by a company which doesn’t bother listing it on the label.

Remember to thank Orrin Hatch for deregulating the supplement industry, solely for his personal benefit.

Ah, c’mon. It wasn’t just for his personal benefit.

Family members were involved.

Nugenix sounds like a drug for treating cat scratch fever.

Speaking of weird supplement names, I saw one at Costco called “Ubiquitol”, which, I’m assuming from its name, can be found everywhere.

Most of the stuff sold at GNC consists of products whose health benefits are relatively non-controversial - vitamins, protein supplements and the like. Dr. Max Power’s Dick Pill-type stuff is much less than half of their offerings.

Of course, the beneficial stuff may not actually contain what it’s supposed to, as noted by Jackmannii. That’s hardly unique to GNC though.

I always laugh at those commercials because it doesn’t seem like he’s in great shape. He looks pretty overweight to me (excessive body fat rather than massive muscles). I’m sure he does work out and has a good level of fitness, but he doesn’t look anything special compared to other guys his age who work out.

The placebo effect may be there for some people. But then it’s not the ingredients that make the difference, and add in the ‘joining the gym going once and then never coming back’ syndrome it’s not likely to work anyway.

Even if there is some useful stuff in some of these things I think the actual working out that’s supposed to go along with them is far more important and probably works just as well without the supplements. And that’s a big ‘if’ on them having any useful ingredients in the first place.

Some of you are calling it a testosterone supplement, but I’m pretty sure it ain’t that, which would require a prescription. It can supposedly increase your body’s natural ability to produce testosterone, but I don’t imagine that it does much of that even in the best of cases.

If you order now, you can probably get a pair of copper socks for free.

Maybe some magnets.

It’s fenugreek, vitamins B6 and B12, and zinc. (Cite.) None of these have been shown to have any effect on testosterone levels in normal men.

Fenugreek has been studied in connection with diabetes, but without finding anything much. In some folk medicines, it was used to help nursing mothers produce milk, which sounds rather counterproductive if you want to enhance testosterone levels.

So yes, scam.


Vitamins, for most people, most of the time–are snake oil (“expensive pee”). A tad less true for protein supplements, but even then I suspect that they aren’t doing much for most of their customers. Someone going to the gym once a week doesn’t need a protein shake, just a chicken sandwich.

Yes, that’s certainly what it’s claimed to contain. I’d like to reiterate how little we know about what it actually contains, and link to an article on the subject: “Dietary supplements: Scary substances manufactured under scary conditions”:

The term “testosterone supplement” itself is a bit misleading. The only way it can be a supplement is if the product actually increases your body’s natural production of the hormone. And basically such products fail time and time again to live up to their claims. However bringing exogenous testosterone into the body in an attempt to “supplement” the body’s natural production is impossible. Your body will sense that its getting enough of the hormone from somewhere and shut down the body’s own natural production.