This thread is not “opinions and requests for updates”
This thread is all about character assassination, conjecture, and downright made-up lies.
Vinyl Turnip, OK, you made me laugh. lobstermobster, yes, when I walked away from the thread I thought “Well, that was a really silly insult.”
That’s kinda cute. Whatever “reputation” Otto may or may not have, it’s due to his actions, as recounted by him, on these boards. Explain to me again how that is anyone’s fault but his own?
Here’s a question! What do you think the death rattle sounds like?
Um. He’s had thousands of posts and all of you are judging him on one thread. But judge away, I think it’s idiotic and stupid to judge someone on one drunken action - a lot of the drunks on the Dope had better look in the mirror.
However, there is no reason whatsoever for him to come back to a place where people are only judging him on his one action. There is no reason whatsoever for him to be forced to answer because you all think he should. We’re not performing monkeys, here for your entertainment.
Is that really your best rejoinder? I never consider you a shining star of brilliance, but I didn’t consider you a black hole of ignorance either… until now.
An unfinished story, posted in the forum entitled In My Humble Opinion, is going to have opinions posted in it. And being an unfinished story, some of those opinions are going to be, “in my humble opinion, you should tell us what the fuck happened!”
“My best rejoinder”? See this is what I don’t like about the Dope…that somehow every post of mine is being judged. I’m not trying to win a prize. I’m only being honest with my opinions and feelings as everyone else is. I am not trying to debate here. I think debating on the Internet is about as stupid as you can get…and I’m about to quit in this thread, too.
You can have all of the opinions you like. Really, go ahead. But to think that somehow he is obligated to come back and post just because you can’t stand the curiosity…well, all I’m saying is he doesn’t have to.
Argue amongst yourselves now, and see how far it gets you.
I’m pretty certain that we’ve all been judged here on less. I’m not judging. It’s 20 dolla and it won’t send him straight to hell. I just am curious what route he took.
80 quarters?
It sounds like my mother when she died.
Clearly he is not obligated. It’s not like he’s violated the Magna Charta for chrissakes. I’d use the term obliged.
And I’m sorry that I tracked you down, dragged you into this thread, coerced you into quoting me, and forced you to post rebuttal. I shouldn’t have done that, knowing how you don’t want to debate and all.
I don’t want to debate either! I want everyone to agree with me. So much the better if they bow while doing it.
This is bullshit. He’s the one who posted the thread admitting that he stole from a friend, that he lied about it and that he wanted help constructing a cover story. Now he wants to run away when confronted with how lame and unconvincing his “joke” excuse sounds to normal people.
We can’t force him to say any more about it or tell us what he did (which I would bet anything is exactly fucking nothing but continue to deny and hope it blows over…that’s what addicts do), but let’s not act like he had his privacy invaded by personal questions out of the blue when he’s the one who started this whole thing.
Otto, go to a fucking meeting, for fuck’s sake.
Yeah, we’re judging him as a thief and a liar based on the one thread where he admitted to stealing and lying. How outrageous for us to do that.
Actually, the whole thing was none of our fucking business. Something BECOMES our business when people of free will inform all of us about it on a message board. I think that if a person wants advice, the least they can do is let us know how the advice works out for them.
Well, of course it is…or, at least, people use your posts to form opinions about you. That’s pretty much the same as it is in real life, isn’t it?
No, of course he doesn’t have to, but if he doesn’t, the collective opinion of him is going to be based upon what he has posted, up to and including a story that appears to have him stealing money while drinking with a friend, and then posting a weak attempt to justify that action as a “joke”, and abandoning the thread he started when most people don’t believe him. If that’s where he wants to leave it, fine, his choice, but it’s unreasonable not to expect people to talk about it.
I don’t really have a dog in this fight, but I’m going to say that I think Anaamika is mischaracterizing at least some of the interest in this matter.
I didn’t read the original thread until I opened up this one, so I really and truly haven’t got much of an interest in Otto’s behavior - but to post an OP like that one, solicit the opinions of the masses, bail on the original thread totally and completely despite being requested in that thread for updates, and then take the tone he took in this thread that the people asking for an update were somehow unworthy emotional vultures for being curious about he handled the situation after he’d solicited their advice in dealing with it is a) disingenuous on a scale not seen since Bill Clinton “did not have sex with that woman” and b) rude as hell.
Really, what the fuck is wrong with you that you’re taking that nose-in-the-air attitude about this? Of course you don’t have to tell anyone what happened - it’s not a requirement. However, please be mindful of the fact that you invited the interest of strangers in this matter - in fact, you actively solicited their advice. You are not then allowed to be affronted that they wish to know how this affair turned out. A single sentance would suffice, I’d imagine (“I have apologised and she has forgiven me” or “I returned the money but we have parted ways” for example). Whether or not you respond to the random speculation in regards to your character, habits, and alleged gambling addiction is entirely up to you (I wouldn’t, personally) - but a bare update as to the culmination of the matter doesn’t have to delve into such matters.
Of course people will want to know how it all turned out. Not ncessarily because they want to point and laugh at Otto, either, Anaamika. Curiosity need not be prurient to be valid - hell, I uttered not one word of advice in that thread and I want to know what happened.
I’ve seen an ever-increasing meme around these parts that anyone who says uncomfortable things or isn’t instantly fully supportive of whatever the hell behavior members are engaging in is a judgemental prick. As it happens, I think Otto was pretty much being an unspeakably big asshole to gank $20 from his friend regardless of his reasons - howsoever, my failure to give him warm fuzzies doesn’t mean I’m also an asshole, thanks. Taking money from a friend is shitty behavior - making him someone who engages in shitty behavior. Why doesn’t really matter, at least not to me.
Am I the only one who thinks that situation we have here of people who feel compelled to deplore their peers for being judgemental amazingly ironic and circular in a particularly maddening fashion?
Ooh, edgy!
Ugh, late to my own thread. At any rate, I am just sorry that we won’t get a resolution to this question. Whoever does not see how this can have people on the edge of their seats, is probably not a literature reader.
And the curiosity has nothing to do with having a previous bad image of Otto. Quite the opposite, whoever thought poorly of him is probably content with “Oh, he screwed up again. Hooray”. I think it is Otto positive image that makes this compelling.
The list of stupid things I have done under the influence is long and varied. I like to think that once the hangovers have subsided, I have dealt with them reasonably well enough that they haven’t impacted people’s perception of my character.
I have no problem with Otto taking a 20 from a friend’s house. I am curious as to him denying it and then how he managed on his intention to come clean out of this one. And that, precisely because he seems to be a guy in good standing (I personally don’t remember him for any previous thread).
So nothing doing with character assassination or anything of the sort. Just genuine curiosity about an unusual story with no resolution.
Imagine for a second if Balance abandoned the Curious Parcel thread with no resolution! Don’t you think there would be some loud uproar? (and I am using that one as as example because I think it is a totally value neutral story).
Not at all. I think lots of people post in a knee-jerk, emotionally charged manner and don’t realize 'till much later how it sounds.
I agree with Waverly too.
Heh 
At least it’s not just me. There’s just something about someone rushing to judge someone for judging someone else that always just chaps my ass.
And no one wants an angel with a chapped ass.
Agree with those saying “you presented the scenario and opened it to discussion – don’t disingenuously claim now it’s none of our business.”