7 years on a month to month is a LONG time. I’ve rented on month to month and anytime I expected to stay put I’d approach the landlord with the idea of 6-12 month terms.
I don’t blame anyone for this as it is part of the renter game, but the renters should have requested different terms if they didn’t want the risk of being uprooted with only 30 days notice.
Thank you for that Ivylass. I would have worked with them. They had decided to buy a house anyway so they were moving in January.(the seller backed out but that’s their story not mine) Like I said they were good tenents.
I also had to move 700 plus miles north, get reestablished, want to talk about stress?
As far as the cleaning goes…I left my apartment clean, I am just and tired of cleaning especially if it’s not my crap.
I’m going to join in with the chorus on this one: two months is a reasonable amount of notice. Yes, it would suck to have to move, particularly from a place you have been in for many years, but two months is a long freaking time.
As has been mentioned already (but bears repeating), the tenants were on a month-to-month lease. **eenerms **isn’t being cold, Diogenes. She’s annoyed that her tenants, who were given a reasonable amount of notice, bitched at her for being insensitive and (if you read her further posts) failed to terminate their utility services, making it hard for her to get them started.
What would you have done in her place? Would you have left the renters in the house you own, renting a place yourself to avoid inconveniencing them? Or would you have given reasonable notice to them that the long friendly tenant relationship was at last coming to an end, as you now need your house back?
For the last time, I’m not saying the OP should have given the tenants more time, I’m saying she could have shown a little fucking human understanding about what a hassle it was for them instead of hassling them with her petty complaints about phone connections and saying “blah blah blah” about the fact that they had to cancel a .planned vacation. That IS insensitive as far as I’m concerned.
What’s your point? The reality of being a landlord is that sometimes, you HAVE to be insensitive. If you cut (some) tenants slack, they will take advantage of your kindess. This is the whole point of having a lease–to protect the tenant from landlord abuse, and to protect the landlord from tenant abuse. It might seem cold under some circumstances, but if they give this tenant extra time to move without good cause, then what do you think will happen when they try to get rid of a truly obnoxious tenant? Rules are rules and life ain’t fair.
Is it just me or should VCO3 just be declared mentally incompetent and just be given “alternative commentary” status below his user name?
Fine, then they shouldn’t cry about it when they get called on it.
Jesus Christ, are my posts invisible or something?
I NEVER SAID THAT SHE SHOULD HAVE GIVEN THEM MORE TIME!
I’m saying she doesn’t have to be a twat to them about it if they forget to do something like disconnect the phones and she doesn’t have to say “blah blah blah” because it forced them to have to cancel a planned vacation. I’m saying she could stand to be a little more sympathetic in her tone, that’s all.
Liar. Not in so many words, but you sure as hell implied it:
How else can one reasonable interpret such statements? If you don’t think the OP should have given the tenants more than two month’s notice, then two months IS sufficient time. You can’t have it both ways. Which is it?
I’ve said at least three times (maybe more, I haven’t counted) that I wasn’t trying to say she should have given them more time, I’m saying that she could have been more sympathetic about their circumstances. I also don’t think two months is a very long time to have to relocate from go, I don’t think “generous” is how I would describe that amount of time, and the OP seemed to me to be rather cold and unsympathetic about it.
Now quit fucking lying about what I’ve said.
How so?
What else could she have done?
You can’t say “I wasn’t trying to say she should have given them more time” and “two months is bullshit” at the same time. It’s one or the other. If you think two months is bullshit, then you must also think she should have given them more time. If you think she should NOT have given them more time, then how can two months be bullshit?
I’m talking about the tone of her OP.
You know, I just meant to say something along the lines of “two months isn’t shit,” or “two months is jack shit” but it came out “bullshit.” I wasn’t trying to imply that she was obliged to give them more time and I said so repeatedly. I was trying to say that she could be more understanding of the fact that it’s a stressful and suck-ass thing for he tenants to have to go through and that she wasn’t showing much compassion in her OP. For some reason, the part where she said they had to cancel a holiday in Ca “blah blah blah” struck me as gratuitously mean and unsympathetic.
Then why mention the two months at all, let alone on at least four separate occasions? The lease called for a thirty-day notice, she gave them double that. I’d call that generous–perhaps not lavishly so, but generous nonetheless. Surely, you can see how your comments were construed (by more than one poster, I might add) as an implication that more time should have been given.
Because everybody kept acting like two months is an eternity and it isn’t. When you’re going through something like that, two months still feels extremely rushed, stressful and disruptive. If I had to kick somebody out like that, I would be apologetic and kind about it and I would try to be forgiving if they couldn’t get everything done on time.
These tenants didn’t really do the OP any harm. She had some minor inconvenience getting her utilities hooked up. I don’t think that warrants trashing them on a message board.
Actually, having been a tenant in numurous places places over the last twenty-five years, I’ve got to say that two months is more than enough and actually kind of too much.
You usually can’t find a new place until the listings hit the paper around the first of the month.You see, with most places on a month to month, the departing tenant won’t have given notice until their thirty days starts. That means you can’t actually go looking until about thirty days before you need to move.
That makes sixty days kind of useless. It’s nice to get a head start on the packing, of course, and it helps in planning stuff like vacations if you know you’ll be in the middle of house hunting. As a courtesy, it’s appreciated.
I can’t imagine not cutting off my utilities the moment I clear the front door. Who needs the next tenant discovering a live phone line and wracking up calls to Japan or something?! I also wouldn’t like to pay for someone’s gas or electicity. (Not that I wouldn’t to help out someone if they needed it.)
I imagine the Eenerms were a little panic stricken to find themselves phoneless and unable to rectify the situation. (Yes, yes, I know most people have cell phones, but some don’t and are dependant on that land-line, especially when they’re just moving in and need to deal with stuff like, uh, hooking up utilities… ) I’d be a little miffed too, especially since the tenants did have ample time to think of stuff like that.
Because that’s harah punishment, it is. Just hope these anonymous people can someday recover from they brutal ordeal of having random anonymous strangers obliquely discuss their situation on the internet. :rolleyes:
That’s not what I meant at all, idiot. Of course, the tenants are not being victimized by a message board rant. My point is not that the rant hurts the tenants but that the rant makes the OP sound like a bitch.
And for all we know she was perfectly polite and apologetic in all direct communications with the tenants in question. Being left with a bunch of petty inconveniences is more than many pit threads start with. Having been through an annoying tenant or two you very quickly lose any desire to openly pity anyone. After all this is a business situation, and if you don’t like the service, leave.
And Swan
Most leases will have a section involving how the house/apt should be vacated with regards to the condition of the occupancy, something to do with being left as you found it or in rentable condition minus any normal wear and tear. Normal wear and tear does not mean leaving behind any odd trash you don’t feel like carting with you or not even attempting to scrub out a sink or toilet. If a landlord has to clean up such non normal wear and tear they generally have every right to deduct it from the deposit.
Thinks like chipped paint and a few minor dings and dents in walls are normal wear and tear. Holes in walls, piles of trash, broken windows, ground in dirt from years of failure to mop a kitchen or bathroom floor are not normal wear and tear.
Diogenes, I see you lying and backpedaling more and more often around here. Either your fingers and your brain are completely disconnected from each other, or you’re just lying. You have as much as said that she should have given them more time.
Fuck man, learn how to admit you’re wrong.
Sam