About the speed of light in a vacuum.
Doral stated they were a light year away. They showed up a year after Gina’s nuke on Cloud 9 was detonated. They immediately jumped to the vicinity of New Caprica.
Could baby Kasey, Starbuck’s “kid,” be a Cylon? Why not a little kid model? They have an old man.
If Baltar is a Cylon, what is the need for Six to have a relationship him so she can get into the defense net? He probably knows how to do it better than she.
Making Baltar a Cylon would veer from TOS, which Moore seems reluctant to do.
Besides, some of us have sworn a blood oath; if any other of the main human characters are Cylons, we will track Moore down, we will find him, and reveal the true state of his income to the IRS. Muah ha ha!
A light year isn’t very far away though: why did they happen to be that close? I mean, it’s a big damn galaxy kids…
If Baltar is a Cylon, that would certainly explain why his Six seems so much like a real prescence with a distinct logic to her appearances and knowledge, rather than a fantasy. It could be the manifestation of his Cylon collectiveness.
What it doesn’t explain is why, for instance, Xenabot wouldn’t know that Baltar is a Cylon and therefore not give a shit about Caprica Six loving him. Or why loving him would be a big deal in the first place.
According to every resource I can find, Caprica Six saved Baltar from the nuke blast somehow at the expense of her own life, though exactly how isn’t explained. Frankly, I don’t see how she could have done anything worthwhile. Her body wouldn’t have been enough of a sheild to protect him, no matter how glowy her spine.
Dude, it’s TV.
They can’t travel faster than light, either. 
Hey, don’t shoot the messenger. I hear RDM has a blog or something, so maybe you can discuss these incredible coincidences with him. You may not like the answers, though, as they seem likely to involve supernatural agencies, which I suspect are going to keep leaping out of the machine with annoying frequency as the series progresses to its conclusion, whatever that may be.
I just don’t see how Baltar can be a Cylon. Well, I do, give some recent and very sloppy examples of writing, but I see no good way for Baltar to be a Cylon. He’s a Colonies-reknowned scientific genius, a bit of a venal Carl Sagan, by the way the interviewer in the miniseries addressed him. So, this celebrity brainiac was supposed to have dropped in a little over three years ago (BSG time), and gained fame, fortune, and full access to the Defense mainframe, arguably the most secure job in the colonies? Um, frak no. Not in the mind of any sane writer, anyway. This guy’s life has been (or should have been) examined since birth, maybe even before. He was born not too long after the end of the Cylon war, and has achieved stardom and trust through hard work and demonstrable brilliance. Unless everything we’ve been told about the skin-job Cylons is totally false, there’s simply no way Baltar should be one of them.
Well, there’s maybe one way, but it’d incredibly sloppy, piss me right the frak off: He’s a doppelgänger. The Cylons captured the real Baltar and replaced him with a convincing copy. Why they’d need to go through the trouble of seducing and deceiving him, then, is completely beyond me, so completely as to bring the this close to ruling it out entirely. But there’s been some serious crap writing since the beginning of Season 3, so I can’t discount something that stupid.
I think Mo Rocca is a goddamned Cylon. You could get a whole season of TV just by letting the crew take turns with interrogation and blowing him out the airlock.
Exactly!!! Baltar could not have survived the blast. I don’t care if he was “sheilded” The blast would have killed him.
Now perhaps when both he and 6 got zapped at the same time they could have had their downloads mixed up a bit explaining the bizarre connection.
Perhaps Baltar was a special project so they don’t want to trigger him.
But the number one reason for teh threat and no trigger is… it would ruin the writers surprise later.
Hell they will have to reveal this soon because there is no way the humans will take Baltar back. Minmd you they can go along with the old show and have Baltar trucking along with the Cylons trying to get revenge on the Humans
We’ll have to wait and see!
I think we may have seen another Cylon model sitting around the cafe on “Downloaded” – with his back to the camera POV, looked like an older guy. May have been a Cavil; haven’t had a chance to go back and re-watch.
I also think it’s likely that the models have been assigned tasks based on their personalities – and all the ones we’ve seen are the ones with tasks related to humans. Simon’s job probably only minimally intersects the Cylon interest in humans. The other Cylon models may have nothing to do with the Cylon Plan for humans, at all. If they’re off running the Cylon homeworld, or building new BaseStars, Raptors, Centurions, etc., there’s no need for them to have ever gone to Caprica, or to New Caprica.
I’m also curious, in light of Adama’s revelation about the programming of the Centurions, if the throwaway line from the miniseries about some of the original Centurions still being around will ever come into play. I’d presume that if the Caprica series ever comes to fruition, it’ll involve the old-style Centurions, but with Moore you never can tell.
Unless he is # 1. The first infiltration done after the Cylon wars. The ultimate Sleeper. He could have been installed an “Orphan” from the war explaining his lack of family.
He Worked his way up through his unusual brilliance. As the 1st he is likely also pretty damned flawed. Perhaps triggering is dangerous to do to that model. Who knows. I just can’t see any plausible way to explain his surviving that blast on Caprica. Also his home seemed pretty isolated and in a wooded lake land… isn’t it convienent the next time we see him is not much later with a huge crowd which may or may not have been miles away (I saw no sign of the forest or the lake, nor any nuke damage in that feild where he was picked up by Boomer)
Gilbert Gottfried is a cylon. B-list actor? Check. Embodies a particular aspect of humanity? Check – there are few better embodiments of Annoying. Let that keep you up at night.
Even though the show does better with science than most sci-fi, it does abuse it for the sake of the plot from time to time. I have a hard time buying that the cylon sensors could pick up a nuke at a light-year distance against the nuclear backdrop of the local star, but I accept it because they say so. Explaining away Baltar’s survival (bad science in a sci-fi show) is much easier than explaining away why Six would have to use him to get to the defense mainframe if he is a cylon himself, and why the other cylons would make a big deal about her being in love with him if he is a cylon.
Ok, so I don’t buy Baltar. Of the characters we’ve seen so far, I have to agree with the Dualla & Gaeta speculations I’ve seen so far. They’re the most likely of the existing crew to be sleeper agents. I’d have put my money on Cally before she got pregnant, but I can’t see a cylon getting pregnant without a lot of plot fanfare at this point. I’d put Gaeta as an outside chance, because having him be a cylon would undermine the angst he’s experiencing over the tension between supporting Baltar’s government and helping the resistance.
So my money’s on Dee. I think the other four are actors we haven’t seen yet.
Hasn’t it been established on the show that the Cylon agents only began infiltrating humanity in the past few years?
Also, of course Balter could not have survived a nuclear explosion, but that wasn’t what happened to him on Caprica. The bomb went off miles away (you can see the explosion on the far shore of the lake-- and why would the Cylons target a remote lake house for a direct nuke hit anyway?) and his house was hit by the shock wave some time later. All we really see in the miniseries is that the windows get blown out and a lot of dust gets thrown up-- it’s not even clear whether the house was totally destroyed.
There may be good reasons to suspect Balter as a Cylon agent, but I just don’t understand the “he couldn’t have survived a nuclear blast” argument.
Um…What brought up Mo Rocca?
Apart from that, I totally agree. God damn that little fucker really irritates me.
-Joe
So toaster Cylons developed these highly convincing skinjob Cylons during the Cylon war, or very shortly afteward? We talking a span of maybe fourty years, here, and Baltar appears to be in his mid-to-late thirties.
Also, there don’t appear to be any baby skinjob Cylons, just adults. For Baltar to have been adopted that young, there’s a helluva lot we don’t know about Cylons. It’d be a massive retcon, if you ask me.
Well, a sleeper would feel angst, as we know. But note that helping the resistance may be part of a Cylon plot.
If there remaining 5 models are hidden in the Fleet and on New Caprica then there must only be 5 agents total undercover. The Colonials have had almost 2 years to compare photos and discover who looks alike (sucks to be a twin).
Here’s a thought. The only reason we “know” there are 12 models is because Baltar left a note for Adama, right? (Ignoring Ron’s wildly accurate podcasts for a moment here. :)) And Baltar got his info from his hallucinated Six, who is either an actual uninformed figment of his diseased imagination, or an actual Cylon implant giving him weird dreams. Either way, the number could be misleading or flat-out wrong. There very well may be only 7 Cylon skinjob models.
Very true. I’m not saying he couldn’t, as a Cylon, feel that way. I just don’t think it would be the best contribution to the plot. I think it’s possible he’s a Cylon, but not likely.
How do we know it was Baltar? It could have been a sleeper, couldn’t it? Is there something I missed?