So, who will be the Democratic nominee?

Maybe you should be pissed that the accuser didn’t blast the accusations earlier. Interesting time she waited for.

There are multiple people who remember her telling them about the assault at the time it happened. It’s not a slam dunk but I guess I’d say I’m not ready to call her a liar.

As for timing, who knows? Maybe someone else is behind it. Maybe she’s resented him for so long that it’s pure vindictiveness.

One NY Times columnist believes Biden may not be the right candidate: Democrats, It’s Time to Consider a Plan B

Why don’t you guys just get a head start on Sanders 2024 campaign?

Here’s a tip; next time, you should actually show up and vote for him.

Here’s a truly bizarre possibility: Clinton / Obama. (And the Obama suggested here is not Michelle.)

IMO, the idea of another Hillary campaign is just catastrophically bad. But what do I know?

It’s becoming a thing on right-wing media to argue against Biden. They’re taking their cues from Trump who saw correctly last year that Biden would be his least favorite opponent.

Some of us are old enough to remember when IBM ruled the computer world and retained their dominance by FUD: fear, uncertainty, and doubt. (As in, you want to buy some other make of computer? Don’t you realize that IBM will introduce a better computer tomorrow and make you look like an idiot?) The right is doing the equivalent. Push forward any nonsense that will cause possible Biden voters to think they’re making the wrong choice. The writer of that article - a longtime Republican operative - knows that Clinton is not running and that Obama can’t be VP. (Here’s my case. If it were legal to make that maneuver he would already have done so - and so would Bush, Clinton, and Reagan.) He just wants to dirty Biden.

Beware of this garbage. If you see it, cast the writer into outer oblivion and think strongly about reading the site lest you step in more and even smellier garbage.

Kudos for reading a range of opinions but a Bernie-seeking Socialist and a former Reagan/Bush speechwriter who argued that Trump is America’s smartest president probably aren’t the places to find the pulse of Democratic wisdom. They have as much right to an opinion as anyone but I don’t see any reason to think their opinion reflects conventional thinking in the Democratic party.

You’re funny.

That’s an impossibility, not a possibility. Obama is not eligible to be VP. The Veep must be able to take over as President, which disqualifies Obama. I believe this is taught in seventh-grade civics class.

Is it Jimmy Hoffa?

Let’s not pretend that the people “just asking” these questions aren’t just wanting a back door sneak for Bernie Sanders, as if Sanders is actually a viable alternative for many Democratic voters, and as if elected he would actually be able to follow through on the vague talking points that comprise his agenda. Joe Biden may not be a very inspiring candidate but he is at least experienced enough to select good advisors, and pliable enough to listen to good sense instead of just shouting at the top of his lungs at everybody about how things are going to be now that he is in charge even if he did win in a general election instead of turn enough voters off to just turn away from the polls.

Stranger

Barring heart attack, stroke, full onset dementia or other medical catastrophe, Biden will be the Democratic nominee.

#DropOutBiden strikes me as likely a Russian trolling campaign.

Can there be Faithless Electors in a primary?

As noted in the cited article, the language in the Constitution is “no person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice.”

If a former President were VP, he’d not be ineligible to assume the office of President because of not having to be elected. Or so the argument goes.

All three of them were already in the most at-risk demographic for dying, even before COVID-19. This new disease doesn’t actually change the calculation all that much. Almost none at all, if you’re looking at the probability of dying at any point during the next term, rather than this year specifically.

But back to the question, there are three possible routes. First, we can continue with Biden as the candidate. The allegations (true or not) probably do hurt him in November. It remains to be seen whether they hurt him enough for Trump to win. Yes, Trump is definitely, unambiguously worse than Biden on this score, but it still hurts, because it means that Biden can’t attack Trump for his behavior.

Second, Biden can name who he’s choosing as his running mate, and then step down, probably after the convention, and ask his supporters to support his chosen running mate. Some voters wil be angered that he gave in to pressure, and some just plain won’t like his running mate as much as him. Of course, some might like his running mate better, and any rational person supporting him should have faith in his ability to pick a successor, given his age and the consequent fairly high probability of dying in office. The net effect will probably be negative, but might (or might not) be less negative than him staying in the race.

The third possibility is for the Democratic delegates at the convention to back off on their pledges, and name someone else as the nominee, over Biden’s objections. This path would be an absolute unmitigated disaster, no matter who they chose. This is the scenario that Putin is hoping for (whether he had any hand in engineering this situation or not, he’s certainly watching with interest). Chaos of that sort never turns out well.

And a Clinton-Obama ticket is just laughably absurd, no matter how you slice it. Any journalist even floating that notion should be fired from their publication.

I doubt this was going to be a big part of the Biden playbook anyway. Everyone knows Trump lies, cheats on his wife, treats women like shit and likely committed assault in at least one instance. People willing to vote for Trump are already okay with his past, either because they don’t care or because politics. This election will be a referendum on Trump’s last term and if people want another four years of that, not what he did prior.

The «argument», even dignifying it with that terms, ignores the closing words of the Twelfth Amendment:

The Twenty-Second Amendment, s. 1, provides that:

Obama has been elected to the office of the President twice. He is constitutionally ineligible for that office and therefore ineligible for the office of the Vice-President.

Put aside the Vice-Presidency for a moment; can he become Secretary of State? Can he become Attorney General? If so, what happens if the President and VP and so on all croak in — if you will — rapid succession, with him as the first non-vacancy?

It sucks not being able to canvass and talk to voters. Obviously in this forum or social media you’re going to get mostly people with strong views. When I’ve done text banking, the only time it’s come up is from obvious Bernie supporters (the text lists are based on likely Democratic voters in primary states that haven’t voted)

I’m going to guess that the allegations aren’t really an issue with the average Democratic voter. Reade’s constantly changing story and most of the push coming from the sketchy side of the internet and Bernie die hards has made most of the MSM shy away from the story and certainly not the non stop hammering of ‘But her emails’ that Hillary got. Plus the virus is soaking up all the oxygen in the room as well as the emerging open up the economy talk.

But, I’d love to actually talk to voters in person to try to see if I hear any hesitation. When canvassing for Hillary, there was always a I still don’t trust her, she’s dishonest vibe I got from many voters who did say they were voting for her.

I don’t think I’ll find the same thing for Biden. I think we may have reached a point of ‘another famous male, there’s always some woman from the past’ fatigue. And, as of today, there’s a lot less with the Biden case than the Kavanaugh case. I do wonder if some Democrats wish they’d toned down the rhetoric with Kavanaugh.

My guess is that the Reade thing falls into the background. We’re going to be in one hell of a recession come this fall. The 2008 election occurred before most of the damage, there was the summer of $4 gas prices and then the crazy September of bank failures and stock prices going insane, but the fallout really occurred after the election. And, of course, the unemployment pattern is different with mass layoffs and furloughs now, not the drip drip drip of 2009/2010. Unemployment peaked at 10% in October of 2010 just in time for the midterms. The Trump/Biden contest will be fought with a likely much higher unemployment rate.

He’d get skipped over, just like Henry Kissinger would have been.

I don’t think the Cabinet has that same eligibility requirements specified. Madeleine Albright served as Secretary of State despite not being a natural born citizen. I think it was presumed that she would just be skipped over in the line of succession.