Seems to me, “not getting any”, has to rank consistently in the top two.
:dubious: I was giving you the benefit of the doubt until I read this response. <sigh> Here we go…
You said, “If she tortured and murdered women, then men have to intercede.”
Two questions:
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Are you even aware of who Koch was or the fiendish butchery she devised and implemented? Seriously? This is a woman who collected tattoos - from the skin of other living humans.
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I don’t know why you presume that female violence necessarily requires male intervention, even though in Koch’s case it did. Ever heard of Aileen Wuornos? Dorothea Puente? C’mon, man - this is basic stuff.
You said, “Since women don’t have the complaint that bitches get the most men or sexual choice; the entire female gender is off the hook for being moral - again, the only population on earth that has this complaint, is heterosexual men.”
Two questions:
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Is the only axis of morality sexual behavior? Really? This is the only yardstick by which you measure or not someone is a virtuous individual?
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As others have already noted, your model seems to preclude any serious consideration of non-normative heterosexual behavior and its morality, even granted your extremely limited purview, as outlined in the previous question.
You said, “Everyone knows this.”
This is clearly not true, since I do not know this.
You said, “I’m explaining why heterosexual men are saying this, why they’ve been saying it for thousands of years.”
Two questions:
Where have they been saying this? Can you cite any prominent examples?
You said, “Hypocrisy is an act of aggression; and hypocrisy is the only thing that gets heterosexual men laid.”
Two questions:
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I’m still waiting on a definition or some kind of explanation of your concept of hypocrisy.
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Actually, it’s really just the one question. But it is the most important one for me rendering any semblance of an understanding of your world-view.
Nope.
http://mentalfloss.com/article/62774/where-does-phrase-nice-guys-finish-last-come
You see, what we do around here is we have debates about facts, and we use reputable references to back up those facts. If you don’t have that, you don’t even get to come in the front door.
Actually, the phrase originated about baseball players.
Ooo… awesome!! I did not know that. I have a question for you then. Why was it picked up so quickly by men to refer to sexuality?
Just you, dude.
Just you.
Because nice guys let the woman finish first.
To the extent that protecting women, in order to not be the asshole who got laid, involves protecting men; the moral imperative is still there for men. It’s not a matter of direct hypocrisy for a woman to be a hypocrite, like it is for men. Men who get really angry at women for stratifying sex so hard towards conspicuous consumers and approach escalators (hypocrisy) - become the thing they hate about the men they hate, and no longer become a person worthy of the woman they think they are.
Hypocrisy is simple; when you do what you complain about in others, self contradiction; contradiction.
If I had to guess, I’d say it’s probably because a bunch of socially maladjusted half-wits needed to assuage their egos by attributing their lack of romantic success to some kind of immutable law of the universe rather than being forced to come to terms with their own personality shortcomings and bizarre incoherent thought processes.
But I don’t actually know any of these “men” that you’re referring to personally, so that’s a little bit of speculation on my part.
Why do you think it is?
I’ve heard this phrase, and lots of other phrases that are mostly bullshit. Nice guys usually don’t finish last, in the long run. There. All fixed now.
Really? I’m the only guy, in all of culture who has ever thought that the more aggressive males get the most women and sexual choice - who’s ever formulated “Why do assholes get the most sex, when every guy is equally as horny?”
It’s one thing to say it, it’s another to analyze it…
guys who formulate this, end up, in some way, being that, representing that, and then spending their lives denying it.
It wasn’t picked up by “men” as a group. It was picked up by a small subset of people who found it a convenient way to explain their lack of success in finding sexual partners, without having to examine their own short comings. It is also not a sentiment unique to heterosexual men. I’ve personally heard similar sentiments coming from both gay men and lesbians.
Seriously: “only assholes get laid” is a decidedly minority view point. It does not describe the attitude of the vast majority of humans (of either gender) towards sex.
I’m glad to hear that the mirror you ordered finally arrived.
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You didn’t answer any of the questions I asked, except for the ultimate one. This will be my last good-faith exchange with you unless you actually participate in a conversation, rather than issue proclamations.
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I literally do not understand what you are trying to say here. Even granted your terms of debate, as I struggle to understand them, I still don’t see what the point is you’re trying to convey here.
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I largely agree with your formulation, “Hypocrisy is simple; when you do what you complain about in others” and can agree to it on tentative terms.
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That stipulated, the rest of your statement (“self contradiction; contradiction”) is an unrelated non sequitur in which you seem to place some great significance.
Oh, this is very interesting.
So people who don’t get sex have shortcomings; assuming they want sex, relative to the people who get it.
Really? The gay population and lesbian population has a stratification issue, like the heterosexual population?
There are sexually frustrated people of all types. There are honest and decent and non-hypocritical people of all types who have happy sex lives.
With gender dimorphism, the metrics of hypocrisy take a different dimension.
I’ve lived 40 years on this earth and have never been hit on by a woman; sure I’ve been flirted with, but women constantly flirt with men they have no intention of sleeping with; men flirt with what they’ll have sex with.
I have been hit on by hundreds of gay men, literally hundreds of them, they get crushes on me too. Women repeatedly say I’m a nice, sweet person; though that was less frequent when I started to get angry about human sexuality - as my mental blocks started fading away. Now, I’m just nicer than ever, even before I went through this process.
Your quote in particular, and this thread in general, call to mind the words of one of my personal heroes, Viktor Frankl
*"Human kindness can be found in all groups, even those which as a whole it would be easy to condemn. The boundaries between groups overlapped and we must not try to simplify matters by saying that these men were angels and those were devils.
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From all this we may learn that there are two races of men in this world, but only these two — the “race” of the decent man and the “race” of the indecent man. Both are found everywhere; they penetrate into all groups of society. No group consists entirely of decent or indecent people. In this sense, no group is of “pure race” — and therefore one occasionally found a decent fellow among the camp guards."*
Your own personal experiences are you own, not the experiences of all humans. Lots of people have different experiences.
Why do you ‘act’ nice when you’re clearly angry about the fact that women are not sexually attracted to you? And what do we call it when people act in a way that is contrary to how they really think?