Do you have “depth of character”?
Get it through your head. Nobody, including you - perhaps especially you, is entitled to sex. Women are under no moral obligation to have sex with you, no matter how deserving you believe yourself to be.
Please give an example of what you would say to females that has read this thread to attract their attention.
To the extent that I’m not projecting, yes. That’s what depth of character is, and you can devote much of your time in this thread to pointing out where I’m projecting; where I’m a hypocrite, I’m not using a standard that can’t be used on me, by you. You can transparently decide if I’m projecting, or if others are projecting.
Consider this for example; all these people who have sex with men who deserve sex less, use the claim that I just see women as objects; robots to control; and I would actually commit suicide for not getting sex; both of these are evidence that I certainly don’t deserve it.
Ok… in no way do I try to find myself in a sexual relationship where I expect the men to stop having feelings about the person I’m having feelings for (that would make me a hypocrite) or to just be brand new robots, and not be able to have sex with the person I had sex with; I’m actually, quite the opposite of wanting people to be robots so I can have something nobody else can have; even though I want it, and others do as well. I’m not a hypocrite, and I’m not trying to turn everyone in the world into a robot for my fantasy, and get angry when people are just like me!
What I’m pointing out, is that these accusations, that I’m the “objectifier”, are demonstrably false; and because I’m the “objectifier”, I don’t deserve sex, when they are having sex with people who objectify more than I do, and do themselves objectify more than I do, is absurd … I’m not the one projecting in this thread. I’m demonstrating it post after post.
Who on earth honestly looks at everything and says to themselves, ok, women don’t have sex with good men… I’ll prove it to them, by staying alive forever with them, and being a good man and never getting sex? No. They’ll commit suicide eventually, anyone would, but women abuse them, and expect them to not have feelings, and then project upon them that those men think their feelings are the most important feelings, when actually everything they do, is about letting people not only have their feelings, but to let them follow through with them in the same way they have those feelings; the people who want the robots are the monamourists. The reason this subject is so touchy, is because everyone knows what women are doing is wrong… the sexual stratification is wrong; and the decisions are wrong. If you criticize the man, he has to defend the woman’s choice of him, if you insult him, you insult the woman’s sexual choice (that she chose an asshole), and women don’t like to hear that. So let’s just go around for a while and really check into these projections; to isolate who actually does just want robots and who doesn’t.
And here we have sex as the brass ring/prize.
NO ONE “deserves” sex. Sex is not a reward for doing something (good or bad). Sex is not like the paycheck you get for doing a good job. No one (male or female) is obligated to “dispense” sex to anyone else, for any reason.
You have to be some depraved (or incarcerated) son of a bitch to be unable to get any sex whatsoever. You may not be able to get sex from your ideal partner, but to be crass there are sex workers who will exchange sex for money. Ideally, this should take place where such transactions are legal, but we all know there are under the table transactions for many things.
Since you view sex as a transaction, or something to be “dispensed”, perhaps you should travel somewhere that such transactions are open and above-board, thereby avoiding any hypocrisy on anyone’s part who is involved.
Are you an exception to this statement of yours?
“When I made the comment about, if only raping atoners got sex, then all the men would want to be raping atoners… that’s not actually true, some men have depth of character, and this depth of character, people with real feelings, will simply commit suicide.”(bolding mine)
To the extent that women are having sex; and there is a massive amount of consensual sex on earth from women… and women say they don’t want rape or sexual harassment; than it is imperative that they don’t respond like tomanddeb, and say that rapists who atone deserve sex more than people who never raped and are decent people. It’s the opposite of saying that rape is wrong… pointing out these dynamics is not sexual harassment - sexual stratification is massive sexual harassment, men hate it.
If you think that sex is a commodity, then why don’t you just buy some?
It’s a resource that is being distributed for a variety of reasons. Treating a woman like a prostitute is a contradiction; men complain that women are whores, to treat a woman like a whore, is a contradiction. Sex for money.
I want to clear something up here. Nobody needs to have sex with anyone. I’m not saying people are required to have children or even to have sex… we could all as a species, simply decide not to have sex anymore…
To the extent that people do have sex, and they state that some things are wrong… if they want to be accountable, then necessarily, some people deserve it more than others.
No, it’s not that you don’t deserve sex because you’re an “objectifier”, it’s because no one deserves sex. No one is entitled to sex.
Mind you, if you DID find someone to have sex with I wouldn’t give a damn (as long as everyone is consenting and no one is hurt). Great, have at it. It’s just that you don’t deserve it, you are not entitled to it.
Treating women in general like whores/prostitutes - generally considered not cool.
Treating a prostitute like a prostitute… seems kind of reasonable. Go somewhere with a legal brothel where the women are plying their trade without coercion. Seems like you could both get something out of the deal.
There is nothing “decent” about saying that women should have sex with you because you’re a self-proclaimed nice guy. I’m not a woman but I can’t imagine there is a bigger turn off than someone insisting that they are entitled to sex.
And tomndebb never said what you claim, no matter how many times you misrepresent what he actually did say.
You may not like being denied sex. You may even hate it. But given your views on women as a whole, it’s not surprising in the least that you have trouble getting women to have sex with you. Not to put to fine a point on it – It’s not them, it’s you.
If good men never get sex, and I mean forever, not, 125 years, but forever, and bad men only get sex, they will eventually commit suicide, instead of proving they are “good” people by enduring this abuse forever.
I actually don’t understand what you’re trying to say here, but that is my reply for that area.
You are wrong. This is not true. There are many men who flirt with women whom they do not desire sexually. It is very very common.
But this like everything else you say is just another unsupported claim. Your repetition of these claims does not make them any truer.
You went 400 billion years without sex, and yet you live.
Hypocrisy!!
That’s is cute, and I certainly didm’t misrepresent what tomanddeb said… they said that thinking women should have sex, is objectifying, and they also stated that nobody deserves sex more than another person.
I stated, that to the extent that people do actually have sex (not that they should) and they state something is wrong; then in order to be accountable to representing the wrongness of it, some people necessarily deserve the sex more than others.
What I think is very cute, is that if a woman went out of her way to demonstrate that she is a nice person, tons of men would have sex with her… you’re actually arguing that women are evil, without even realizing it. That’s why I said it was cute.
Gay men… heterosexual men absolutely flirt with what they’ll have sex with in one to one encounters; now, broader flirting, like modifying the tailpipe of a motorcycle, is just to attract a pool of women, one on one encounters, heterosexual men flirt far less, I’ve personally never seen it once… but there could be an exception, than women do, with someone they will not have sex with.
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Prove it.
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You are wrong.
The thing is - no matter how nice a woman may be it’s highly unlikely she’d want sex with “tons of men”. That means at least some of them won’t have sex with her, no matter how nice she is.
Those men can bitch about it, or make up reasons why it’s hypocrisy for men to have sex with women, or they can look for another partner.