Some Bush Supporters = Bunch of cunts

The BBQ Pit
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To give a better answer. I’m not evading anything I just don’t want this to turn into a thread about individuals or about interpreting posts from years ago. You love that kind of shit. You’d go pages and pages.

I also couldn’t be arsed searching through years of posts of particular user names to find you a cite just so you can pick it apart.

If I posted what I did in GD I’d give you a cite.

The thread is about more that just the bit you seem to care about.

I honestly don’t care if you see me as pathetic, lazy, wrong a liar or anything else. You are of course free to ask for whatever you want or call me on whatever you want. I’m also free to ignore your requests as I don’t want it to become about you and your pickiness. You’ll probably just keep on going anyway and manage to turn it that way but I’m not in the mood to help you.

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Suit yourself. Since I’m the only one asking, it’s probably not worth making a big deal over. I have to say, though, that I was rather taken aback by your smarmy remark to my initial request-- a request which I took pains to make as politely as possible. It’s not like it’s unusual around here for an OP to be asked to back up the claims he makes, even in the pit. In fact, it’s S.O.P.

And keep in mind that there are lots of members who couldn’t possibly know what you’re talking about because they weren’t posting here in late 2002 and early 2003, so they are now left to wonder who among the “Bush Supporters” called others on this board traitors. It oculd be anyone and everyone (or no one). I have to say that’s a very Rovian tactic.

Anyway, do as you please, and people are free to think whatever they want of this thread. You implied pretty stongly in the OP that you were drunk when you started it, so I suspect you went overboard in your zeal to get back at “Bush Supporters”. With all the many reasons to bash Bush and his supporters it’s seems strange that people feel they have to make stuff up. That, I’ll never understand. The end.

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Shrug, I know a Bush supporter. He’s a New Republic reading Fox News watching Rush Limbaugh listening Bill OReilly quoting right wing conspiracy blog believing neocon. When I see him (I game at his place every other weekend) I have to listen to all kinds of unbelievable bullshit. A couple of weeks ago it was about how the Clinton adminstration had set up a crime database with information from every govt dept, but when things started coming up about murders and the Clintons they stopped the project and put up barriers between the depts and thats why 911 was allowed to happen.

He denigrates democrats and liberals every chance he gets. And when I argue with him, or point out where he’s wrong, his response is almost always ‘Well Clinton did…’. It’s reached the point of religion with him. Bush can do no wrong. You should see how many he gets about how all the liberals are framing his neocon buddies and making them leave their positions.

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Were Bush supporters really calling Iraq-invasion skeptics “traitors” on this Board back in '02?

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Not hard to believe. I’m on another board where I see similar remarks even now. It boils down to ‘if you don’t like this war, you’re pro-terrorist’. :rolleyes: The Dixie Chicks still have detractors.

These Bushites’ brains exist in some sort of parallel universe (CognitiveDissonanconia) where Bush is All Good. Still. And where ‘anti-Bush’iness’ seems to be next to ‘anti-ogliness’.

Boggles the mind.

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Yep, I was very snarky and out of order there.

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No doubt, but I meant on this Board, which ain’t Free Republic, thank Og. I don’t recall any “traitor” flaming back in '02-'03, but that was before I became a hardcore Dope addict.

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What does “Saddamite” mean to you?

-Joe

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The whole “oh, you people would be complaining about Bush no matter what… you would be unhappy with how any war is going… yada yada yada” line is simple to dispose of. Afghanistan. There’s a war that Bush started which, at least superficially, is somewhat similar to the Iraq war. And yet, people pretty much never complain about it. Now, partly that’s because Iraq is stealing all the attention. But mainly it’s because that war WAS justified, DID have international support, and HASN’T turned into as much of a quagmire.

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More of you should follow my example in this matter, being generous, forgiving, and humble. It is with a charitable hand that we guide our shitwitted brethren from the paths of error, we should never forget that had we been born stupid, this might very well have been our own fate.

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Wasn’t on Freep or anything even remotely like. I know there is a tendency to think that this place is the Source of All Good but I’ve seen some righties even here. Heck there’s been a complaint about ‘lefty media’ just in the last couple of days.

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Oh, oh, oh, I saw a Bush supporter today. Or at least a Cheney supporter. He had a bumper sticker that read “I’d rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than driving with Ted Kennedy.” He had another bumper sticker that read “Boycot France”; it featured the French flag with a line drawn across it. DancesWithCats isn’t the only one.

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And, to the best of your knowledge, he has a driver’s license? Oh, dear.

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Saddamcite?

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Someone who is sexually attracted to Saddam Hussein?

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Alright…I’ll give the hornet’s nest a whack.

The premise that Bush intentionally lied to justify the invasion is not accepted by everyone. It just makes it a little easier to justify the vitriol with which the crow is served. “You lied! And you did it for (insert conspiracy theory here)!”

This horse has been beaten ad nasuem. The intelligence was wrong. It happens. The Russians and the British believed the same thing, but that fact is omitted when the spittle starts flying.

We took a big hit on 9/11, from which the doctrine of preemption sprang. Bush used that justification and the intelligence that Saddam had a WMD program to justify the invasion. If you believe that it was an intentional conspiracy to “enrich his Halliburton cronies” or some other nonsense then I can’t help you.

We are in the position we are in now in Iraw because of tactical mistakes, primarily:

  1. Not sending in enough troops to hold the territory once we took it…and

  2. Disbanding the Iraqi army.

We face difficulties today because not enough Iraqis with influence are willing to set an example for those who follow them by putting nation above religious factionalism or personal greed. Unless the number of Iraqis willing to make thier democracy works reaches critical mass, it will never happen. Add to the fact that Syria and Iran are gleefully stirring the pot as much as possible exposes the thought that it’s all George Bushs fault as a superficial and poorly thought out idea.

If we aren’t careful, this will turn into a regional war with Iran on one side and Saudi Arabia on the other. Sunni and Shiite in a steel cage grudge match. Some will say Bush lit the fuse, but he didn’t buy the dynamite. The middle east is full of religious zealots and lots of undereducated and easily influenced cannon fodder.

Finally, getting back to the idea of preemptive strikes. If many of you are howling in indignation because of this idea, what is the alternative? Wait for the first punch like 9/11? If you think the intelligence community “just tells him what he wants to hear” or is “in the pocket of the evil corporations” then why bother with a CIA at all? The funny thing is, some of you will take that idea at face value and nod your head in approval. If that’s you…then I can’t help you either.

With North Korea and Iran getting into the nuclear business, that first punch could be a very hard one indeed. Diplomacy and negotiations are ongoing. Perhaps they’ll work. If they don’t, which of you still wants to wait to get hit before taking action?

Sure it might never happen…or Washington or Tel Aviv might disappear from the face of the earth. Who wants to roll the dice?

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Shhh. You’re disturbing the play.

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http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/8-21-2002-24851.asp

Check when that cartoon was published.

Missed the memo I see:

In a recent GD it was clear that there was a good number of Iraqis that reported supporting and voting in the last elections in the hope then the US would leave after showing the world they could do it, the survey also mentioned many would seek the path of rebellion if the foreign forces did then not show any effort to leave, AFAICR that survey was late in 2005, the facts on the ground showed it was a very accurate survey.

Well, we were not careful.

The reason why you are a cunt is that you are purposely ignoring that virtually all on my side agreed with hitting Al-qaeda in Afghanistan.

So the President then is a pussy now? The fact remains that the Iraq invasion did make things easier for Iran, and Lebanon and Palestine radicals to take over or become more powerful.

Bush it seems, but then all those dice rollers of the cold war were wrong too, in that case you and I are not having this conversation, since we never were born because of the nuclear holocaust.

“Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” - Dr. [del]Kissinger[/del] Strangelove.

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I’ll just focus on this one particular nugget of turdthink.

You see (follow closely now, for this is complicated…) its only pre-emption if you ar actually stopping someone from doing something they are otherwise bound to do, imminently. My neighbors boy is an unruly 10 year old, he might one way steal my car, that doesn’t mean I can knee cap the little bugger.

We might have “pre-emptively” attacked Japan on Dec. 6, 1941, if we had known what the crafty little devils were up to, and that would have been a wholly justifiable “premptive attack”. Because, you see, the Japanese actually intended to attack.

Attacking Iraq as a response to 9/11 makes no more sense than it would have made to invade Costra Rica as a response to Pearl Harbor.

Am I typing too fast for you?

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Don’t you look forward to the upcoming congressionial hearings. I occassionally ponder hearing the question: “What did the intelligence say” as I am sure do you.

You’ll be back no doubt for further comment after that happy spring day. In other not-news, the Britons believed no such thing, an easily proven and oft linked to fact. Why, Robin Cook even resigned on the principle. Google his speech for confirmation.

It is stunning that ignorance this adamant can survive. Where you been boy?