Some Problems At School

And Christians wonder why we’re seen as making God fit us rather than making us fit God … :rolleyes:

Since I know you’re a, shall we say, fanatical Christian, you don’t seem to be wondering much about what Christians should be, the ubiquitous WWJD. Jesus never creeped anyone out, sure He made - and still makes - people uncomfortable from what He says - but he listened to what others were saying (you aren’t, this includes Dopers and classmates), he didn’t even go for grey areas in morality (you do per your quote above), and if people chose to ignore Him, he respected their wishes and left them alone!

Poor excuse for a Christian I say, not to mention a classmate …

And? So why not post them? Then perhaps we could give you some advice.

I forgot what they were exactly.

Qin, if you’re statements are accurate so far, you’re being held to a double standard that exists for everybody. Life is just unfair. Being creepy is defined by the other person, not according to an objective standard. You need to avoid being a target for this kind of childish behavior. Make sure to consider your behavior carefully, and be prepared for people to interpret it in the most uncharitable way possible. Good luck, and don’t worry too much about this. And if you ever find yourself on the other side of the equation, try to remember the golden rule.

That’s okay, Qin Shi Huangdi, just scroll through your Facebook postings. The links will be saved in your history.

No, you didn’t.

So DESCRIBE them, and not just “base nature, not moral”. Was it potty humor? Sexual?

Did you send a list of dirty jokes? Goatsec? A youtube video?

A rather obscene story.

Qin If you’re too embarrassed to tell us exactly what the story you sent out was, then you had no business sharing it with some one who is only an acquaintance.

ETA I think that was unclear. I mean that if the story is so shocking and obscene that you can’t post it on the SDMB, and you are too embarrassed to even describe it then you should not have sent it to some one you barely know

OK, I’m going to give you two rock-solid metaphors for social interaction.

  1. The Social Field

Everyone is surrounded by a field of social tolerance. When you touch, speak to, look at, or stand close to a person, your field interacts with his/hers. Even if you merely make that person aware of you in an impersonal way, like making noise, your fields interact. Each person’s field gets weaker with distance, so standing three feet away does not have the same impact as standing six inches away. But the distance is not merely physical: staring for a minute has more impact than glancing for a second. Making a questionable Facebook post has more impact than making a bland one. But if you accept the distance metaphor, it’s a bit like electrostatic interaction – the closer they approach, the stronger the attractive or repulsive force.

Here’s how it’s NOT like that – people have memories. This makes the effects of the interactions cumulative. A girl will remember you standing too close, and her field will be sensitized – the next time you do it, the interaction is stronger, even if you’re actually standing farther away. She will remember the Facebook post, and the interaction will be stronger yet. She will also reinterpret each interaction in light of the next, so that the effect is not merely cumulative, but exponentially so. If the first few interactions are unpleasant for her, or if one is particularly unpleasant, EVERY interaction after that, no matter how benign in itself, and every interaction before that, even if it was pleasant at the time, will become another factor in an enormous repulsive force.

The only remedy to such a situation is to stay away; maybe the extreme sensitivity will fade. Don’t count on it, and don’t try to make it better by being nice, because you don’t yet have the finesse required to ever-so-delicately brush your field against hers, making her aware of you, but in a totally non-offensive way. Just accept that it’s there, like radiation. With luck, maybe you’ll make a friend or encounter an adult who’s willing to serve as a Geiger counter.

  1. The Emotional Bank Account

It is also possible to view each person’s attitude toward you as a sort of bank account. When you do something nice, or have a pleasant social encounter, it’s a deposit in the account. When you do something unpleasant or unwelcome, it’s a withdrawal from the account. Almost everyone starts you off with a slight positive balance – some don’t, but most people are willing to extend you some credit. Every pleasant encounter improves your balance – even a simple day where you have no interaction will earn some interest on a positive balance.

But unpleasant encounters deplete your account – and the price for each similar encounter goes up, and you can easily get to a negative balance. When that happens, people start avoiding you, talking about you, and trying to get you transferred to another class. Worse, when you have a negative balance, people stop giving you credit – you don’t get the slow increase for just being around, and they may even take encounters that would previously have been deposits, and start interpreting them as withdrawals. You’ll be socially bankrupt, and there’s no choice in such a situation but to default – you won’t get your positive balance back for years (well, maybe months – teenagers can move things along fast).

Here’s something you should notice about both of these models – you don’t get to decide whether an encounter is pleasant or not; you don’t get to decide what impact it has. The people you interact with do. And they won’t tell you what the decision is, because an important criterion in making these judgements is how adept YOU are in perceiving them. So things have to get incredibly bad – downright intolerable – before they will actually say anything.

Another reason for that is that THEY don’t want to break their own rules – they don’t want to have to think poorly of themselves, they don’t want others to think poorly of them, and they don’t want to initiate unpleasant encounters with you, either, so they will not say the obviously hurtful things that might help you avoid mistakes. Instead, they will do the small, cruel things that will hurt later when you find out about them – social snubs, talking about you behind your back, and generally running down your status.

That’s longer and more depressing than I meant it to be, but I’m going to let it stand, because I remember the confusion and frustration – mine, as a socially inept teenager, and my brother’s, as a man with Asperger’s syndrome that wasn’t diagnosed until his mid-fifties. Nobody will explain the damn rules.

Smart, insightful post, Nametag. Really kind of you to take such time to share this.

Qin, for the love of everything holy, do not post, link to or even describe the stories you sent. The people who are asking for them do not want to help you. They want to make fun of them and you on the various snark boards. Simply do not troll facebook again, especially with people you know IRL. But I’m sure you’ve learned that lesson, right?

Qin will not post the links or content because Qin knows the content of what he said will not resemble the description he made in earlier posts, and they will belie his innocent “Who, me?” stance. They’ve already progressed from “mildly inappropriate” to “rather obscene” over his last few posts.

I agree with this. Qin does not want to lose his high horse status he claims during his holier-than-thou Old Testament tirades in the pit and the election forum. Around here, he ceaslessly judges and damns others and never wavers from his black and white stance.

But it is evident that his world outside the forums is not black and white at all. He may be awkward by virtue of his brand of intelligence, but he uses the same intelligence to attempt to skirt acceptable rules of interaction at home and at school. If that busy brain were used more charitably and constructively he would gain a lot of respect from everyone. Kid’s pretty smart.

The guy’s pretty smart, but with that comes the penalty of not understanding how social interactions work. That’s what having Asperger’s is. I don’t have time do this justice, but think of Qin as stumbling through a foreign land with no phrasebook. He has gotten himself into big trouble in the school world, and needs help repairing the damage, making restitution, and learning how not to make the same - or similar - mistakes again.

I don’t want to defend his actions. I understand how he got into trouble, and he definitely should have known better. But based on my own life experience, and that of my son and other diagnosed Aspies, I can understand how went down that wrong path.

Nametag thank you for that clear and direct explanation. That’s the kind of thing the rest of the world gets, and Aspies don’t. Some of the unwritten rules of life that are so obvious to the majority that they can’t conceive of not knowing those rules - even though said rules appear nowhere. My son has been in a social skills group for most of the time since he was 3. He’s 17 and still has issues connecting with others and making friends, but the group helped him tremendously, and still helps him.

In addition to taking his punishment, and whatever else needs to be done to fix this serious situation at school, Qin also has the challenge of learning the rules of social interactions in our culture, taking them to heart, and living them every day.

It’s a tough road, Qin, but I know from personal experience it is well worth it.

Of course, thank you.

Plenty of people here regardless of religion or their personal lives have made equally strong moral statements on various issues.

Thank you.

QFT.

Regards,
Shodan