Somebody point Wolfstu here

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Thanks Esprix

I didn’t realize the other two were locked. Also, I understand that 2 weeks is signifigantly different than 2 months or 2 years. But at what point does it pass the shade of gray and enter the black and white?

I do agree that resurrecting a thread just because you can is idiotic, but I can’t think of a single thread out there that can’t be resurrected if you have something new and valid to add to the conversation.

I like the suggestion of linking to past threads (which I gave to you but you gave back to me. weird.) but IIRC, mods have said that two threads with 5 posts each take up much more room than 1 thread with 10 posts in it. If we’re looking out for the wellbeing of the board, resurrecting threads seems the way to go. If we’re looking at keeping the posters sane, I don’t really have a suggestion.

Also, sorry about the screw up with AAGG. I seriously thought, as I was writing it out, that it was Ask A Gay Guy despite the fact that I’ve read the threads and I’ve seen your sig for God knows how many months. Little did I know you were THE gay guy on the boards :).

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Esprix, while your apology for your “word choice” is admirable indeed, you still seem to be operating under some misconceptions here.

First of all, your assertion that your original intent was “simply to inform and educate about the ways of the Straight Dope; nothing more, nothing less,” is not only a bunch of hooey (we all know that was not your intent), it’s also erroneous to present your opinion as “the ways of the Straight Dope” with regard to reviving old threads. There aren’t any “ways of the Straight Dope” as is clearly evidenced not only by the lack of any mention about it in the guidelines (at least none that I could find), but also by the fact that everyone here seems to have a completely different perspective on how they feel about said revivals.

That you “highly recommend new threads with links to existing threads… to be the best all-around solution to please the most amount of people in the shortest amount of time,” does not mean that your solution actually is the “best all-around” one or that it would even please the most amount of people (where do you get any support for that claim???). You can “highly recommend” anything you want, but no one here is under any obligation to heed your recommendations just because it pisses you off to see it done any other way.

And by mere virtue of the fact that new posters here will see it done in a variety of ways (new threads being started and the OPer being spanked for starting a thread when there’s an existing thread about it with a link to the old thread inserted in the chastisement, old threads revived and the participants enjoying coming up with new things to add [many of whom are new and never saw it the first time around], and new threads referencing old threads), spending time lurking to get a “feel” for “how things are done around here” would not give anybody any clue regarding this issue.

It may be your opinion that old threads should remain dead (unless they’re yours, of course :rolleyes: ), but that does not give you the authority to either dictate to others how they should respond to old threads (“don’t post to threads that are more than a month old”) or old topics of discussion, nor the right to flame people because they don’t do it your way - a way you’ve admitted you’ve changed your opinion on! Frankly, I don’t have the time or the inclination to look up The Rules According to Esprix whenever I make a new post, and new posters aren’t under any obligation to do so, either.

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Jesus H. tap-dancin’ Christ in a g-string, I can’t even apologize right by you people… (But thank you, tech and Jodi, for the support anyway.)

The intent stated was for that post only. I’m sorry I wasn’t more clear for you. I thought it was clear the entire post was to supercede the OP.

And if you bothered to read my post, you’ll notice that I several times said it was just my opinion, noted the difference of opinions over how old threads should be handled, and offered various points of views. I did not once say my way was the only way, nor did I ever instruct wolf to post in any particular fashion (and even if I did, he could feel free to ignore me, as could anyone).

And, again, I never said it was - I simply said it was my opinion. (Perhaps I should start bolding and italicizing that phrase, as it seems to be getting past quite a few people.) And for the record, more than one person has contacted me via e-mail, not wanting to wade into this fiasco, and mention they support my idea. Frankly, I don’t see how my idea wouldn’t satisfy both the don’t-posters and the yeah-posters.

You’re absolutely correct. But, if I may reiterate yet again, I never said anyone was under any such obligation - I was stating my opinion on the matter. Did you get that this time, or shall I repeat it once again?

This certainly isn’t the first thread on the topic of reviving old threads (as ender noted), and it certainly won’t be the last. Given that, and all the threads that have been revived and are now riddled with “WTF?” follow-upposts, methinks someone who lurks long enough will get to know, as I already said, that sometimes reviving an old thread ticks people off. After that information is gathered, they can do whatever they wish, and deal with whatever consequences (if any) may result. YMMV. (Just figured I’d throw that in in case anyone missed the "this is just my opinion"s I keep posting.)

I already covered that, and I’m sorry if that explanation was neither good enough for you and/or that you disagree with it.

OK, now I’m pissed again.

Listen, bitch, If I have to say, "The above post expresses my and only my opinion on this subject - your opinions may differ and you can listen or ignore me as you see fit" every time I post, I’m going to stop posting here altogether. So, either cite me where I dictated how someone should respond to old threads (that would be somewhere where I said, “Post the way I tell you - comply or be punished!”), or shut the fuck up and recind your little diatribe. Last time I checked I was not given Moderator status, so it really doesn’t matter one flying fuck in a rolling donut what my opinions on the matter are, nor what I may command someone to do (which I haven’t done, nor can I do).

It seems more and more clear to me that I need to stick to GD solely - MPSIMS and the Pit have both given me major headaches the past few weeks, as I’m not allowed to talk about my personal life nor express any negativity whatsoever without getting beaten up for it. Damned if you do, t’would seem, and damned if you don’t.

Esprix

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Oh, now you’re pissed. Well this bitch is quaking in her boots.

You did dictate how someone should respond to old threads in your OP, which I’ve ALREADY QUOTED, but I’ll do it again as you appear to be reading impaired…

And nowhere in your above reply did you ever make it “clear” that you’d at all modified your opinion (and yes, I got that, dickhead) as it was stated in the OP. You steadfastly hold to your opinion throughout that reply that posters should still not resurrect old threads because some posters don’t like it and if they do so, they face “repercussions.” (Like what - being called a fuckhead by you?)

As you so rightly pointed out, you are not a Moderator or Administrator here, so why don’t you shut the fuck up?

Oh, but I must be breaking The Rules According to Esprix again, because HE’S allowed to express his opinions, but when others do, they’re posting “little diatribes.”

Kiss my ass. I rescind nothing.

The Bitch has spoken.

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Shayna -

If I wasn’t gay, I’d ask you to marry me.

Kepi

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Please don’t be pissed off, Esprix. You’ve explained your opinion, and I respect you all the more for the explanation. As for those still with some sort of irrational gripe about your OP – I say, stuff it, this puppy’s been going too long already.

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Shayna, that was one of the best put downs I have read! If I wasn’t married I would ask you to marry me.

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That’s a load esprix. And it’s hypocritical as shit, once again.

You purport to know how I see you? Hasn’t that been your pet peeve in other threads? People assuming you were this and assuming that? Why are others jerks for doing that but your immune? What gets you off the hook?

This whole argument style is why I decided to post in this thread in the first place.

You criticize people for saying things about others that they know nothing about. But you can turn right around and do the same thing yourself without retribution. It’s blatant, insulting, and hypocritical.

I find it highly entertaining that a thread that this comes up to is one where you bash another poster for doing something you’ve not only done in the past, but make a signature line out of it.

Do you see any irony in any of this? Hypocrisy?

Or am I just bashing you as so many others out there that don’t understand you have done in the past?

It really irritates me that when someone calls you on this hypocrisy, you pull out the old, ‘Bash me. Everyone else in this world does. Why should I expect anything different from the people around here.’

Oh, and that ‘apology’ post? Who are you trying to kid? That’s the most transparent load of B.S. I’ve seen in a while.

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If I were a Mod, that would be considered an order to dictate someone’s actions, because they have the power to enforce it. As it is, “don’t post to old threads” is a suggestion, opinion, recommendation, rant, epithet, whatever you want to call it. It isn’t an order.

Because I haven’t, nor was I aware I needed to. I apologized for my language and attack, but the original annoyance and recommendation remain.

Last time I checked this board was all about expressing one’s opinions. If only the Mods or Admins did that, it’d be a pretty boring board.

Indeed she has. Let me check… mmmm, nope, don’t care. Buh-bye! :smiley:

Esprix

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Whoa now, Esprix. If this is the way you address a poster who disagreed with you without using a single profanity, then yeah, maybe you should skip the Pit for a while.
A little politeness doesn’t hurt anyone. Shayna disagreed firmly, but never called you any name. To then refer to her as a “bitch” simply because she doesn’t share your opinion is in very poor taste, and frankly a bit disappointing.

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I said, “Guess I’m in the minority.” You said you read that to mean, “Just like being gay.” How is this assuming your view when you just told me what it was? :confused:

Already explained - sorry it doesn’t meet your criteria.

Again, sorry you see it that way. I was trying to make amends. I suppose the only person it ought to really matter to is the still-absent Wolfstu.

Esprix

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No, but constant harping on expressing my own fucking opinion, regardless of how harshly it was put, and to accuse me of dictating other people’s actions when I clearly did not is just as offensive to me as any swear word she could have used.

Esprix

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As long as you realise that that sort of reasoning says more about you than about her, that has to be good enough for me. And disappointing still. Moreover because your OP was not clear on the fact that you were merely voicing your opinion.

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You’re right, Cold - it says a lot about my state of mind right now, reading this thread, today. So tell you what I’m going to do - I’m walking away from this thread and won’t be responding to it until Wolfstu does. This anger is doing me no good.

Thank you.

Esprix

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Wow! two almost proposals on Valentines Day. I am so touched and flattered. Thanks Fletch and Kepi! And Kepi, even if you’re gay, I’d marry you anyway so long as you’d let me watch. :smiley:

Happy Valentines Day!

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Wise decision, Esprix. No sarcasm intended - sometimes it’s just good to back off for a while. It’s reassuring to see you realise this.

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Cool! We can talk about him now!

Okay, who’s first…

:: flees ::

Yer pal,
Satan

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but if I was Wolfstu,

then,

::fleas::

::flees::

Esprix, should one of us go round up Wolfstu, so this can start it’s descent?:wink: [sub]I can jsut hear you smacking your forehead- "Ahh God, would the thing jsut die!!!??[/sub]

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Watch wolfstu resurrect this thread next year…:wink:

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Good Day.

I apologize for my continued absence. I do not normally frequent the BBQ Pit forum. I came upon this thread only when it appeared in a search of the boards.

I have indeed posted a number to a number of old threads. I had a number of reasons.

I first became interested in the old threads as a method of exploring the history of the board and of some of its posters.

Second, it seemed to me that a a good idea is valid, no matter when it was presented.

Third, the moderators of at least two forums, most notably manhattan and Chronos, have expressed the opinion that it is undesirable to be opening a new thread when an old one will suffice.

Fourth, I had intended, on beginning my carreer as a poster, not to make waves. ‘Don’t do anything stupid or offensive,’ I said. ‘Don’t gather ridicule… Don’t bother the posters who know what they’re doing’. After all, I wasn’t sure I had the right to post here.

I posted mostly to threads I thought had merit, or perhaps didn’t get the response I thought they deserved, or that I found interesting, or that I thought could get me some answers about the board.

I knew that my new post would bring the thread to the top of everyone’s lists, but once they had visited the board a second time, it would start to sink back down again unless new posts had been made. If new posts are made, then the thread probably had some merit. If not, it had no merit to begin with and would return, in a short time, to oblivion.

I got some compliments from other posters and from moderators, and I got some questions about whether I was ‘just messing around’.

I had not anticipated such a response from Esprix. Having read this thread and a few of his other posts, I am beginning to reach some vague conclusions about him. But, far be it from me to judge, I hope, and since he’s asked that we not ‘pretend to understand’ him, I won’t post them here.

I have one concern, Mr. Esprix. Why do you find this so annoying? The threads are no different from a new thread that appears in a forum; if they’re popular they stay at the top, if not, they disappear to the back pages. Why should the date bother you? Or is it just the occasional spalsh of old code that didn’t do it’s job.

If I’m actually causing inconvenience or grief to anyone with my posting habits (or the length of my posts) please make me aware. As well, if any of the moderators/administrators have concerns, please let me know.

To finish, two requests. First, please respond and explain what the trouble is. Second, next time anyone wants to get my attention, by all means go ahead and criticize, but please let me know… “Somebody point Wolfstu here”; nobody did.

Hoping I’ve not been too much trouble, wolfStu.