Of course on Hannity they were proclaiming it as a clear victory for Trump and the fact everyone else disagrees as just more evidence of liberal media bias.
But Trump actually saying “Hey ask my long time friend Hannity” (paraphrasing) in the debate hurts both of them.
You’d hope some non-zero percent of Fox viewers would question at this point whether Hannity’s relentless shilling for Trump is really objective reporting.
Nice article and quote from the Economist. Hillary’s line was priceless: “Well, listen to what you just heard”. Indeed, listen – go and read it. Trump was rambling incoherently. He may (or may not) have been trying to articulate some dimly remembered thought that his handlers had tried to instill into him in defense of his long affair with birtherism, but all that came out was incoherent word salad, absolutely meaningless.
And despite the rigged online polls that Trump tried to pull up afterwards showing that he’d “won”, this CNN headline says it all about the day after when media and public opinion became clear: Day after debate, Clinton gloats and Trump fumes. Trump is now blaming a “defective” microphone and implying that it was deliberately planted on him, that Lester Holt was being very unfair to him, and doubling down on his insults against former Miss Universe contestant Alicia Machado, claiming that she had gained “a massive amount of weight” and was “the worst [contestant] we ever had … the absolute worst.”
This is lowbrow entertainment like you’d expect to see on a Saturday morning cartoon show, yet this guy is running for president, and people are going to vote for this misogynistic, racist ignoramus. Unbelievable.
Paul Krugman tweeted this morning’s front page of the NYT:
Brutal for Trump. As Krugman says, having a graph on page G-25 is nowhere near as important in your messaging as the headlines and images that precede the article.
My favorite Hillary line from the debate:
“I think Donald just criticized me for preparing for this debate. And yes I did. And you know what else I prepared for? I prepared to be president.”
Win.
The most amazing thing about it - after a day or so - is that Hillary didn’t even have to use a lot of her best material. She’s still got dry powder on Kazir Khan, the Trump Foundation and a host of other stuff for the following debates if she wants.
Ooo. Mention that he didn’t come through for those little girls who sang that song for him. Maybe get one on camera complaining about it.
The best part about that line was that it was prepared in advance, because the Trump campaign is stupid enough to telegraph its attacks so far in advance it might as well be using semaphores:
Once again, the Trump campaign is incompetent. There’s no other word for it: It’s simple incompetence to let your opponent know which attacks you’re going to be using.
The fact the Clinton campaign is leveraging that incompetence warms my heart. I hope to see more of it.
Seriously. I mean, what would General Douglas MacArthur say?
Anyone still wanting a summary of the debate may find this WaPo columnuseful. It is, shall we say, a tad tongue-in-cheek and should be taken as such, but for all that there is a lot of truth in it.
The consensus seems to be that Trump did well the first half hour. This op-ed piece makes IMO a compelling argument that that first half hour may have been good for Trump stylistically, but poor on substance.
I’d like to thank GulfTiger and truthSeeker2 for making the Democrats’ point so clearly: Yes, what Trump did is just business. And that’s why “just business” is what’s bad for America, and needs to be reined in.
People seem to put the point at which Trump started losing his shit at various times between the 15 and 30 minute marks. Just looking at various livebloggings, he certainly seemed to be losing it no later than 20 minutes in. A half hour is being very generous.
It still amuses me that this is a term that has such legs. Do you think in 20 or 50 or 100 years people might still use it? Or has it perhaps already been eclipsed by “Trump-esque” for history’s sake? Sorry Sarah.
That and “Killary”. Used all the time by the alt-right folks. It’s helpful though since as soon as someone uses one of those terms I know the rest will be an incoherent rant and I don’t need to waste time reading it.
In the beginning of the debate, Trump ate Clinton alive for what seemed like a good 10-20 minutes mostly on trade policy.
Then Holt lobbed several steel chairs into the ring and Clinton pounded Trump for an hour, completely on his personal history, notably his tax returns, birtherism, business dealings, and for judging a beauty queen on her looks. Trump was visibly unprepared and pulled way too many punches, and the punches he did throw were awkwardly articulated.
The crowd was childish and if they aren’t on the Clinton Foundation dole now, they expect to be in the Clinton administration. The Trumpers were audibly irritated by this and responded a few times by cheering for Trump.
It appears that Clinton had much more to lose in this debate, because of the recent trends in the polls, so she played all of her cards. She had to, and it appears to have worked. Trump was unprepared and showed genuine emotion. Something no candidate has done in my lifetime, so I am not sure how viewers will respond. He needs to attack in subsequent debates, because he is simply not good at defending himself. Indeed several of his transgressions are not defendable in today’s political climate. Trump needs to hammer her on the trade issue. Hammer her on the money that has been wasted on wars that she loves. This was a good theme that he brought up. We have 20 trillion in debt and nothing to show for it. He needs to flesh out this theme and hammer her with it.
Hopefully next debate will not be so boring.
This qualifies as at least a class IV hurricane. I’m impresssed.
Straight from Mother Russia herself, the GOP talking points of 9-28-2016!
I’ve got somebody who says HiTlery, like it’s 1996 all over again.
Then again, the man is 60-years old and works for a phone book publisher, so he probably wishes it was 1996 again. When I asked him who he blamed more for the destruction of the industry, Steve Jobs or Barack Obama, you can likely guess which answer he gave me.
Interesting since I favor a Clinton victory and disagree with Trump on more points than you.
Well, that was…creative.
Yeah. With that much spin, Koufax would have thrown a no-hitter on every start.