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Can you cite this? I know two PETA employees were caught euthanizing animals they had obtained from shelters under dubious pretenses. I don’t defend that, although it’s unclear to me how much of that incident was individual intitative and how much was PETA policy.
But I haven’t heard that Newkirk was guilty of similar actions, that the totals ran into “thousands,” or that she’d “confessed.” I’d like to know more.
There is the article in the SF Chronicle I found before I wrote that letter. The other information I knew but I saw that quote from what appears to be a 2003 story from the New Yorker and had to toss it in there.
[QUOTE=tomndebb]
You are taking my comments way too seriously, here.* My question about running out to protest all wrongs was directed at featherlou’s challenge to my smart-assed t-shirt comment. I was not criticizing your choices of protest (or even featherlou’s sense of responsibility).
You have a good point and a fine rant and I will withdraw before I inadvertantly offend anyone else with my lack of gravitas.
(Which bears its own burden of irony.)
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no! I’m really hard to offend actually which is hard to say in a thread I started about being offended. Its so hard to mess around with someone or convey good humor over the internet. And I never use smileys. I hate them…but thats another pit thread.
I’m in a great mood! I won’t bite your head off I’m not that zealous. I’m just bored at work right now so I’m responding really fast. Fridays are so slow here its painful.
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But then I started reading about them blowing up millions of dollars worth of farm equippment crippling the families who depend on the farms for income.
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These families had “millions of dollars” of farm equipment?
There is the article in the SF Chronicle I found before I wrote that letter. The other information I knew but I saw that quote from what appears to be a 2003 story from the New Yorker and had to toss it in there.
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The SFgate article is more damning. This 1970s story also appears on her Wikipedia page. Yet it seems to me, from the context, that she’s talking about Maryland shelter policy in the 1970s, not current PETA policy at all, and that killing those animals as shelter policy required is what she rebelled against in turning toward her newer philosophy.
I mean, I don’t see how someone could read it any other way.
Again, I am not defending specific policies, just trying to clarify what appear to me to be misinterpreted or suspect claims.
[QUOTE=Sailboat]
These families had “millions of dollars” of farm equipment?
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Priced a combine, lately? I doubt that any one family (as opposed to agribusiness) would own millions of dollars of equipment, but I could easily see the destruction of millions of dollars of equipment if they attacked quite a few farms.
[QUOTE=lobstermobster]
I mean the tshirt design, and the entire display was aimed at teenagers who I sincerely doubt have any idea what these people do.
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I am a teenager, and I know exactly what PETA gets up to. But you are right, most of my peers do not do their research and think PETA is a great charity group because so many celebrities parade around saying they are PETA members and how much they love animals. I got into a debate with a “vegetarian” friend of mine (quotes because she eats fish :rolleyes: ) about PETA and the antics they get up to, and even after printing out fact sheets and information for her to take a look at, she decided that my sole purpose was to offend her, and proceeded to tell me off by saying that even if PETA bombs labs and makes life miserable for people, it’s okay because they do a lot of good things elsewhere. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
On the same vein of advertising to teenagers, there is also PETA2 where they give OMG PRIZES!!! out to people for recruiting members and participating in protests. One time I was waiting in line for the doors to open for a concert, and there were sheep going up and down the line soliciting signatures for some petition or other for PETA. Most people scribbled something down because after they did, they would get a free sticker! Yeah, a whole square of shiny paper… all you have to do is sign away your intelligence.
I mean, I don’t see how someone could read it any other way.
Again, I am not defending specific policies, just trying to clarify what appear to me to be misinterpreted or suspect claims.
Sailboat
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I’m not quite sure how you think I misread that. I just looked at the wikipedia page you mentioned and the first sentence under the euthanasia section is “PETA is against the no kill movement and euthanizes the majority of animals that are given to them” And that quote of her saying she must have killed thousands of animals is EVERYWHERE. I don’t care if she was president of PETA at the time or not. She still did it and still said it and now she’s leading a band of animal rights bandits (her word not mine). Isn’t that exactly what I said in my letter or otherwise?
Also we have to be careful about saying that PETA bombs labs. They don’t…thats the ALF. Whenever the ALF does something, PETA uses its media connections to publicize it. They also have directly publicized videos handed over by the ALF. Its amazing that so many high profile people support an organization that aids (trying to not say terrorists) people who use such desctructive illegal tactics. Check out the list of PETA supporters. A lot of that is news to me. Pretty gross.
[QUOTE=lobstermobster]
Its amazing that so many high profile people support an organization that aids (trying to not say terrorists) people who use such desctructive illegal tactics.
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They’re terrorists. Don’t dance around the obvious.
Nice letter, lobstermobster, but I’d blow it by my lawyer first, if I were you. PETA utilizes the pre-emptive strike lawsuit almost as much as Fred Phelps. I guess you could hit them with RICO, but, as a cursory Google of that option will show, you’d hardly be the first to try it.
[QUOTE=Slithy Tove]
Nice letter, lobstermobster, but I’d blow it by my lawyer first, if I were you. PETA utilizes the pre-emptive strike lawsuit almost as much as Fred Phelps.
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If he’s sending the letter to the store instead of PETA, what’s the need?
And if I may ask, what does your particular lab do with animals? Are they targeting you because of something specific or because you’re generally a research lab?
(No, it’s not a prelude to me chewing you out, I can’t stand PETA myself. I am just curious about their motivation.)
And if I may ask, what does your particular lab do with animals? Are they targeting you because of something specific or because you’re generally a research lab?
(No, it’s not a prelude to me chewing you out, I can’t stand PETA myself. I am just curious about their motivation.)
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uh oh you figured it out. But right now I’m assisting a study on traumatic head injury using pigs. I also manage the institutional animal care and use committee which is the regulatory committee every hospital has that meets monthly to either approve or reject proposed protocols. This is my primary function at the hospital, the IACUC, so I end up being the face of the bio-ethics issues that come up. (involving animals) I haven’t lived out here that long though and the PETA experiences that I personally have had, happened in New Orleans and Nashville.
[QUOTE=Rube E. Tewesday]
Wow, in response to years of harassment, you finally break and write a polite letter. You’re a regular Incredible Hulk.
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