Leaffan
November 2, 2012, 2:23pm
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As mentioned, there have been storms forever. How about these hurricanes ? Were they caused by climate change?
The Labor Day Hurricane of 1935 was the most intense hurricane to make landfall on the country, having struck the Florida Keys with a pressure of 892 mbar. It was one of only three hurricanes to move ashore as a Category 5 hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale; the others were Hurricane Camille in 1969 and Hurricane Andrew in 1992, which had a landfalling pressure of 909 mbar and 922 mbar, respectively. Hurricane Katrina in 2005 was the third most intense hurricane to strike the country with a pressure of 920 mbar, though its winds were not as strong as Andrew.[2]
The Galveston Hurricane of 1900 was the deadliest hurricane in the history of the United States, killing at least 8,000 people. The 1928 Okeechobee Hurricane caused at least 2,500 casualties, and in 2005, Hurricane Katrina killed about 1,500 people. In the 1893 season, two hurricanes each caused over 1,000 deaths.[2]
…It’s taking longer than we thought.
Being Canadian, perhaps you are unaware that Florida, Mississippi (where Camille made landfall), Louisiana, and Galveston are all in the extreme south of the United States, while New England is… not.
Learn to read, no one is saying those things were not natural, only (and it is a big only) that human made forcings are making the current natural events harsher and bigger (doing nothing will make them even worse in the future). But then again, we already know **what **you are.
Leaffan
November 2, 2012, 2:56pm
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All I’m saying is that Sandy is one data point. There may not be another storm like this in the north east for a century, so saying it’s the “new normal” is rather meaningless. As I originally said, when extreme cold snaps hit, no one calls that the “new normal.”
Leaffan:
All I’m saying is that Sandy is one data point. There may not be another storm like this in the north east for a century, so saying it’s the “new normal” is rather meaningless. As I originally said, when extreme cold snaps hit, no one calls that the “new normal.”
And just continue to pile the stupid, the fact is recent research shows that the events are getting worse, it is really **stupid **to claim Sandy is the only data point used.
Also hot and cold records usually balance themselves naturally, but thanks to AGW there are more than 3 hot records for every 1 cold one, the point here is however that cold records still take place so once again what you are saying here is just weapons grade ignorance.
You are really an Idiot in the ancient Greek sense also.
Tamex
November 2, 2012, 3:20pm
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Leaffan:
All I’m saying is that Sandy is one data point. There may not be another storm like this in the north east for a century, so saying it’s the “new normal” is rather meaningless. As I originally said, when extreme cold snaps hit, no one calls that the “new normal.”
I don’t know about other places, but where I live, extreme cold snaps are the “old normal”.
Grey
November 2, 2012, 3:35pm
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http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/surge/:
Notable Surge Events
So here’s the progression 1900, 1938, 1957, 1969, 1989, 1995, 2003, 2005, 2008 and, if we add in Sandy, 2012.
No doubt there may be other surges not recorded at the time due fewer people and record keeping stations, however I trust the people that actually do work on this science to be aware of them and take them into account. The evidence and experts say we’re moving into a warmer climate driven by human activities which will result in more storms like this.
Leaffan
November 2, 2012, 3:42pm
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Grey:
So here’s the progression 1900, 1938, 1957, 1969, 1989, 1995, 2003, 2005, 2008 and, if we add in Sandy, 2012.
It would be hard to disagree with the trend appearing here. Thanks.
DrDeth
November 2, 2012, 3:48pm
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Troutsqueezer:
No, Al Roker did not say anything about fixing your windows. That was me. Sorry if that went right by some of you.
He did in fact, say that this weather is the new normal in response to a question from Matt and no, I’m not going to search around for some YouTube video to back up my assertion for two reasons: First, none of you are required to believe it just because I wrote it. Secondly, I have an actual life.
Since “Today” has a national audience, I’m sure I’m not the only one who heard it. Interesting that some here, for no reason, are quick to call me a liar. That says something…
Dude, if you thought enough of this to start a PIT thread, then yes, you have to expect we’d ask for some cites or facts or something. :rolleyes:
I think we should just let Troutsqeezer and TroutMan duke it out alone in this thread.
Yumblie
November 2, 2012, 4:15pm
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Troutsqueezer:
We haven’t been on this Earth but for the blink of an eye and yet we have “experts” telling us what is normal weather. Weather is a chaotic process, it will never be normal.
And what do you mean “Do you accept this truth?” Sounds like you’re pushing Jesus Christ to me. For the record, fuck no I don’t! Sheesh…
Roker is a joke. Meteorologist my ass…
So where do you stand on meteorology? In your first paragraph, you deride these “experts” by surrounding the word in scathing quotes, implying that they are not experts at all, but in fact nothing but charlatans.
But then in your last sentence, you point your derision towards Al Roker for claiming he is a meteorologist, implying that a real meteorologist is someone who knows what they’re talking about, which Al Roker does not.
Which is it? Is Roker a joke for believing he’s a scientist, or are the scientists themselves a joke?
Good God man, flap your operculum!
Push them into the river! That will make it a fair fight!
Another few years, and the rising sea level will reach me. Or I’ll just wait for the next storm surge.
