You’ve taken the one little bit of joy I’ve had out of life lately and ruined the memory of it forever.
So was she hiding behind a tree, or putting it in peoples faces? Me thinks you may have investigated the situation further then what was warranted. I suppose I might have too.
Anywho, grow a pair.
Yeah, I was wondering something similar: If you’d happened across them filming a grissly murder scene for a movie, would you be so indignant?
And you missed this teaching movement?
See, it could have ended really well!
No matter what the purpose for the photos was, the photographer should have had some sort of plan in place in case people approached. Prudish or not, public nudity isn’t accepted here in the U.S., even on our beaches, and the photographer and model both knew it or they wouldn’t have reacted the way they did. Any number of people would have been shocked by stumbling upon such a scene, whether they support the fine arts or not. Seeing nekkid bodies in museums is a far cry from seeing flesh and blood nekkid bodies ten feet in front of you in the middle of a nature hike. It created an awkward moment for the father/son, which was unfortunate.
On the other hand, the OPer is jumping to conclusions by calling it a porno mag shoot. It sounds like a beautiful setting for a photo shoot, naked or otherwise.
It could have been an actress and/or model trying to get some photos for her portfolio. It could have been a wife trying to get beautiful pictures for her husband’s birthday. Nudity does not have to equal pornography.
I would have! Blundering into a gory scene would have freaked me the fuck out, plus I’d bet money that a lot of people who were thrust into that situation would run and dial 911 -“OMG there’s been a murder and some sicko is taking pictures of it; I don’t see any cops around.” This is why most movie producers have some kind of security set up to redirect people around filming scenes and explain why.
A public place isn’t a good place to be doing your own personal porn shoot, either. Besides the “won’t someone think of the children!” aspect, you might also encounter someone of a strict religion who would be really freaked out at this scene. Alternately maybe I don’t care who and how hot you are, I just don’t want to see some chick’s tits and bush (or even some guy’s dick) while I’m out on a walk. If I really felt like being a bitch in that situation I’d call park management or the non-emergency line to the cops, and give them that minivan’s plate number, especially after Mr. Photographer acted like I ruined his shot and/or chances at scoring with his model just because I was walking somewhere and just happened to walk past his own private stroke material shoot.
Roll eyes all you want. The logic expressed here is exactly the same: “it’s just nudity, get over it.” “OMIGOD it’s a penis. Better not got to Florence, dey’s got statues of nekkid men there!”
This is unwanted exposure in an inappropriate location. Sure with my kid it would have been no big deal, maybe even a bit of a lark. But the op is absolutely entitled to his values and in America they are more the norm than are mine.
[Dan Akroyd]
I don’t think anybody can deny this is a very nice painting of a broad on a couch.
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Ok, lots of catch-up to do today.
We first saw the girl & the photographer when they bought their ticket behind us at the entrance to the trails areas. They would have just blended in with the crowd except the manager behind the ticket counter noticed she was in a bathing suit. “Hey, look you know there’s absolutely no swimming allowed here, right? And you are not to wander off the trails into the water? Its for your own safety.” The manager (a woman) said. The first thing I noticed was that the BF and the had bought their own tickets. This only stuck out to me because what I normally see at ticket counters in my neck of the woods is one person of a couple buying both and then the couples settle up money later. (It just moves the line along faster that way) Also, the model struck a major attitude with the manager at the ticket counter, getting loud and indignant with her for more than 5 full minutes about ‘how dare you accuse me of going into the water?’. My first impression being clouded by how much of a total asshole she was to someone who was just trying to keep her safe and do the job she was supposed to, it was hard for me to see the model as attractive after that point. If anything, I was surprised that that much asshole could fit inside a body that small.
After entering the trail area, I told my son that I wanted us to try to do the red trail instead of the easy yellow trail. The red trail is longer and that probably how the model and the photographer got so far ahead of us that they were set up and shooting by the time we accidentally stumbled on them. Where they were set up at was at one of the scenic map spots listed on the handout. The trail has railings at the point and if you wanted to see Bridal Falls (spot #8 on the map) you had to walk around a large boulder/rock wall and right into their shoot.
I shall let my membership lapse the day museum guides start shouting at the statues , “C’mon, baby! Shake dem Things! Show Daddy that you want it. Yeah, dats it, honey…! Now Strut!!!”
She had (of course) totally ignored the safety instructions of the manager who she had berated publicly. She was off the trail, in the water, and had just come out from under the waterfall. I’m not sure how cold mountain water run off is before Memorial Day, but I’d bet it was pretty damn cold. She was striking provocative poses until my son and I walked into the ‘bridal falls scenic viewing area’. She then grabbed a nearby towel and hid behind a tree, shivering. And I got my son out of there.
Funny you should ask. His TV channels stick to pretty much Nick and Cartoon Network. Whenever he comes into a room where my wife and I are watching anything with death, blood or guts, he’ll cry out ‘Blood…!’ and literally run out of the room. The most violent game he plays is a ‘Star Wars’ game where he shoots cartoon ‘Storm Troopers’. One of my pet peeves is that a lot of these blood&guts shows are broadcast at 8 and 9pm, before bedtime, making changing channels with him in the room potentially a problem. Yes, he’s a very gentle and sensitive little guy, a young 10. I’m not in any rush to spoil or jade his childhood.
More so. But that doesn’t make shooting nude shots in a public place acceptable.
tack·y –adjective, tack·i·er, tack·i·est.
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not tasteful or fashionable; dowdy.
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shabby in appearance; shoddy: a tacky, jerry-built housing development.
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crass; cheaply vulgar; tasteless; crude.
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gaudy; flashy; showy.
A better ending would have been the BF in cuffs and muttering to the PA State Troopers
“…And we would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn’t for that damn meddling Kid…!”
A reasonable response. Well said and Thank you. Still, she wouldn’t have handed those finished prints to a 10 year old boy. She should have used the same precautions to keep that shoot private that she would have to keep those pictures private. I also may have pitted her more than I should have; a young 20-something is still learning and can be expected to have a lapse in judgement or two. A 50 year old guy is supposed to know better, and from his actions, he was probably the motivation (money?) behind the shoot.
My father would’ve walked us both up and struck up a conversation with Mr. Flynt and Ms. Au Naturel. He was a complete perv, however.
If I had a child of my own, I’d feel the same way. Let kids be kids–they grow up so fast, and a good childhood is a lovely thing to carry with them into adulthood.
I have nothing against porn and nothing against naked people (we all have a body, after all, and roughly 50% of the world has the same set of stuff) but if I was on a nature walk, and ran into them, I’d be peeved, too. More so, if a child was with me.
I would like to choose the time and place I see nekkid people.
I would as well.
I also think there is a difference between public art (which doesn’t, nowadays, often feature nudes - but you can still come across statues of naked nymphs on occation), museum art (I’ve taken my kids to the museum and they’ve seen nudes - I didn’t care though next time I will warn them that saying in a loud voice “hey, Mom, you can see her butt!” is not good museum manners), and the creation of nude photos (be they art or porn) in a public setting. This sounds like its a public/private place, but the phographer and model did not have permission from the owner.
On your property film all the slasher/porn/art films/photography with nude people you want. When you are on public property or someone else’s property, you need to conform to norms. In our society, for better or worse, that means you wear clothes. And given that I have a “slimmest and sexist and ageist” standard when it comes to enjoying looking at naked people (naked men are always funny looking, and naked older overweight people are - I’m sorry to say - less pleasant for me to look at than naked thin young (but adult) people - I think that’s a good thing.
(I know a naked 65 year old overweight man has his own beauty, but I’m not conditioned to see it, and don’t care to be surprised by it).
So your point is that it’s not the nudity that bothered you but that you saw a nude person who had acted somewhat rudely earlier in the day?
I’ve never understood the assumption that the mere sight of nudity (even partial) will warp children’s fragile little minds. I remember after the Janet Jackson incident, some mother weeping in front of Congress because her poor little darlings had seen a boob. :rolleyes:
The only reason kids think nudity is a big deal or the human body is “bad” is because adults tell them so. IANA Parent, but it seems to me you could have just told your son that the man was taking pictures of the pretty lady for people to admire. Even at 10, the idea of pretty people being nice to look at isn’t a hard concept.
Dude looks like a lady.
If the photog was shouting directions like this at the model, well, it’s a little different IMO.
Is that what you meant, CB?
What is it with the SDMB and nudity? Why is it any complaint about inappropriate nudity (behavior that could get the people involved arrested) seen as defensible? Or is this the common Pit response of no matter how badly you were treated/experienced hell or similiar, it wasn’t THEM, it was YOU?
Encountering a naked woman and a man photographing her is NOT an ordinary trail walking experience. To me, the OP is justified in his complaint. He wanted to have some father/son time–he wanted to make a memory, much like his father did with him. Instead, he got a whole 'nother type of memory forced upon him and his son. Not nice. Nowhere does he say that his son will be scarred for life or that he even “fears” that.
I think he would have been as upset if on the trail they had seen a couple having a real donnybrook or a parent slapping their child or a drug deal going down.
I don’t think the OP is prudish at all. I have no desire to see anyone get that much back to nature, period. There are lots of places one can do nude photography–studios, rented a piece of property, use private property with the permission of the owner etc.
Sir Blucher, which of the four tackies (missing out the sticky definition, as you did) do you choose? Was the lady’s foof “not tasteful”, “dowdy”, “shabby”, “crass”, or “gaudy”? There’s a lot of maintenance required to leap from one offensive style to the other, you know.
And I hope you’ll forgive me for replaying a cliché, but blimey, a lot of you yanks are well uptight.
I don’t have anything to add, I just thought this bore repeating.
I was going to post a link to scenic Bushkill Falls sometime back, because it sounded like the perfection vacation spot for rjungesque Dopers. Let’s see now…
“Hiking the trails and viewing the towering 100-foot Main Falls are not the only activities possible on the expansive grounds of Bushkill Falls. Check out the Pennsylvania Wildlife Exhibit, Native American Exhibit, fish Twin Lakes, visit our variety of gift shops, stop at the Fudge Kitchen for delectible sweets in the Wagon Wheel Pavilion, take a paddle-boat ride, or enjoy a round of miniature golf. At Bushkill Falls there’s plenty for the entire family to see and do!”
Um, lessee…nope, nothing there about shooting amateur porno photos (excuse me, Art Pictures). Maybe not the kind of family activity that park operators and most visitors to the Poconos have in mind.
Sorry, but the photo shoot was a jerky thing to do, and the OP has a right to be ticked off. You run into something like that all of a sudden with no one else around, and you don’t know what sort of creepy people might be involved or how they might react when “interrupted”.
And if it was somebody taking photos of a young naked male striking “provocative” poses, and the father of a 10-year-old daughter objected to their activities, numerous posters would still be scoffing about prudity…right?