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Hey, I know everyone is busy holding hands with the newbies,gently introducing them around, being all nice and welcoming, and everyone is all full of smilies, and hunting secret agents, but i just had to ask:

What the hell is going on???

I see Rosie O’Donnell has adoped baby number 3.

Where the hell is she getting these kids?

Why can a single woman adopt THREE babies in four/five years, and there are childless couples waiting for over a decade to get a single baby of any color/race?

I can tell you why…MONEY!
If Rosie is buying these babies, why isnt she prosecuted?* I* would be if I sold her one of mine!
And we never hear about the birth mothers either…well paid off? Or too scared of a team of her lawyers?
None of them ever take the babies back either do they…what are the odds on that I wonder…three adoptions without hassle…Hmmmmm.

Now rosie can give a baby lots of material stuff…yadda yadda yadda. But really the basic care is going to be done by a nanny, and at best, Rosie gets to be a part time Mom. I have no problem with that, but when there are couples desperate for a baby, willing to sacrifice everything for a child, willing to give up a career or share child care so the baby is with a parent almost all the time… why dont they get these kids first?

If I had to give one up, I would choose a couple over a single person…unless of course, I was offered buckets of money…but that would be selling babies, wouldnt it?

Can anyone explain to me how such a blatant circumvention of the law is tolerated?

kelli

Oh wait I need to go back and insert fucking smilies! This is the pit for christ sake! Stop the fucking smiling or slap it off you posts!

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:slight_smile: :slight_smile: :slight_smile: :slight_smile: …you knew that was coming, didn’t you?

How about we just dispel the idea that she’s “buying” the babies? I think if that were the case, it would have been public by now.

I’m certain that her celebrity has influenced the adoptions, to some degree, but she’s not really a part-time mom. She takes her kids to work with her, which is something that many celebrities do, and something that many private citizens can’t or don’t do. She is well-known for her work with children and children’s charities.

She’s far better known for these things and her TV show than she is for her movies. Rosie O’Donnell has only made 13 movies, most of them before she had only one child. She works a full-time day job, and she’s lucky enough to take her kids with her to work. And, she manages to keep them away from the cameras.

As far as being a single parent goes, as you well know, that has no bearing on one’s ability to raise children. There are more children waiting for adoption than there are people who wish to adopt, though.

Rosie O’Donnell having adopted another baby is nothing to be angry about. That’s another baby that’s going to be able to have a good life.

“Wednesday the 15th - Chris made one of her rare good points today.”
Guanolad

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I was holding hands and welcoming a secret agent, while smiling! I guess I’m guilty. You’re right, this is the Pit…

Christ, I’m still wondering how she got her own show, let alone kids. Wow, Rosie, your own show AND K-mart commercials. The world is your oyster. At least the kids will have plenty of sub-standard clothing and Tickle-me-Elmos.

Shop smart, shop S-mart

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I know Kell… its the pit… but… on a bright note, a fella I work with and his wife FINALLY, after waiting many years brought a beautiful baby girl home on December 21st. Her birth mother is a young girl who realized she would not, at this time in her life be able to give this little beauty the life she deserves. Now if we can just pull our co worker off the ceiling, things will be great :wink:

We are, each of us angels with only one wing,and we can only fly by embracing one another

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Man, how’d that 'ol bull dyke get three kids??? Come to think of it, how’d she get her own show?

You have my 100% ironclad guarantee that these kids will turn out to be nothing more than horrible drains on societ (or at least, horrible drains on their inheritance from Rosie).

A rich, famous, talentless mom and no dad at all? Smells like trouble.

I can understand situations where a child is left with one parent due to divorce or the death of a parent. But for a single person to adopt a kid is just unthinkable. Most kids who grow up without a strong, ever-present male (or female) role model don’t end up turning out too great.

Oh wait … Rosie IS a strong male role model.

Nevermind.

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true, but only generally speaking. kids look for a role model if one is missing from their lifes. to bad that they are not necessarily a good judge for a role model.

when not speaking generally one would say that early in life kids need both a female and male role model. if they have both a mom and a dad, then later in life they often look for other role models, just for comparison to their parents. its called growing up and forming opinions.

anyway, its quite a confusing subject…but an important one. a role model has got to be someone you can talk to and is often there. like puffington said: “ever-present”, that would be the key word in all of this. but hey, thats only generally speaking.

bj0rn - once a kindergarden teacher, always a…

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I imagine pregnant women seek HER out if they are going to have a child they can’t take care of… they imagine their children with all the privileges they’ll never know.

I’m not angry with her, but I do think that 3 kids is PLENTY with all that she has going.

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I read that Rosie has male nannies so that the kids can have male role models.

Maybe if she adopts a couple more she’ll be too busy to do her TV show.

One can only hope.

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I read that James Dobson said 80% of children without fathers around are more likely to end up in jail,do poorly in school,etc.Gee thanks!I mean,look at Dennis Rodman!
Kell,I Did think that was a bit weird. Is she going to stop at 3,4?A Rosie Army!

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I just wanted to clarify how the adoption procedure works. If I was to decide to have my birth child adopted, I would have several options. I could:

a)turn the baby over to the state to place through a public agency. this is the least expensive for adopting families, which can be a major concern, but the wait is horrindous. Abandoned babies fall into this catagory, as do children whose parents have had there parental rights terminated.

b)Work through a large private agency, such as Catholic Family Services. Agencies vary in quality. However, they usually allow the birth mother a bit more control over the process–she can select an application that she likes, for instance. Furthermore, they are experienced at the legal BS that is required. Furthermore, they can set up open adoptions, visitations, offer counseling, etc. Usually the adopting parent pays a fee (say $10,000) and out of that $10,000 the agency pays 1)the birth mother’s medical bills and 2) the costs of administration for the adoption–the legal stuff, the saleries of the agency staff, etc.

c) work out a private arangement with a third party. This is by far the most expensive route. Parents can not legallly pay for a baby, but they can and do 1) pay for the medical bills and B) support the mother until after the baby’s birth. There is nothing illiegal about a private adoption, and they happen all the time–both as a result of parents advertising in the paper “We will give your baby a home, call us” and even between friends and families–it is not unheard of for the mother of a teenage parent to adopt her own grandchild. You have to hire a lawyer to file the corect papers, and it has to be approved by a judge, but it is fairly painless.

The point I am trying to make is that it is quite possible for Rosie to obtain a child legally because she had the money and the fame to do so. THere is this perception that adoption wait lists are like organ donner lists. The truth is that there are a whole bunch of different ways to legally adopt a baby.

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Probably her wealth helps, not that she’s buying babies, but that she can provide for them.

She also probably had her adoption requests on file for years before they were accepted. Not seeing the whole process, it just seems as though she “instantly” got a new baby.

If she is lesbian, she certainly hasn’t been going through Virginia courts. Here, the antiquated homophobe laws have been used to deny/revoke custody from parents who are gay or lesbian. One grandmother actually got her granddaughter away from her daughter because she was lesbian (and had a live-in partner).

Remember our tourist motto: “Virginia is for Lovers”. But read the fine print: “but only married heterosexual lovers who mate in the missionary position. And no oral or anal sex, perverts!”

Let the Truth of Love be lighted/ Let the Love of Truth shine clear. Sensibility/ Armed with sense and liberty
With the Heart and Mind united in a single/ Perfect/ Sphere. - Rush

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Having 5 days will probably screw you up even more than having none.

Also, I’d doubt that any man who has made babysitting his career choice could possibly be a good role model. At best, a little screwy. At worst, a child molester.

But then I may be jumping to conclusions out of a sheer hatred for Rosie’s godawful show. :slight_smile:

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That should read “5 dads,” not “5 days.”

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Perhaps she can ask Tom Cruise to step in? I mean shes has mocked his marriage on national television before, I believe out of jealousy. She fawns over him daily.

Maybe then we’d have 5 screwed up scientologists to deal with then, nevermind, seems its a catch 22, just cause Rosies involved.

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Ok, this is irking me.

  1. Single + fat does NOT equal “lesbian.”

  2. Why do you fear so much for Rosie’s children, and not for other celebrities’ kids? Cripes, the woman can and does take her kids to work with her. That’s probably one reason she decided to have a talk show, rather than doing movies.

  3. Re: why does she have a show? Evidently, someone’s finding it entertaining. Don’t like it? Don’t worry about it.

  4. This is classic:

Why? There are kids who need families, and I would think that the people who work in the adoption “field” and the biological parents can be relied upon to make good choices. Families come in all shapes and sizes.

Really? Diane? CanadianSue? Kellibelli? Others? What do you think about that? I can certainly tell you that my brother and I are far better off for not having my father around…since I was 2 and Kevin was just a baby. Gimme a break. A child growing up to be a shithead has nothing to do with whether or not he had both parents around. Ever hear the line “it takes a village”? A kid’s parents are not his only influences. It is the parent’s responsibility to know and trust the people around the child. Single parents absolutely should not be accused of being the only ones who turn out bad kids. Ever hear of the Menendez brothers?

  1. Rosie O’Donnell uses her celebrity in very positive ways. As I said before, she’s quite active in children’s issues, as well as the fight against breast cancer (the illness that killed her own mother.) She keeps her personal life very private, and AFAIK, her kids have not been in the public eye, other than when she first adopted them.
    There’s nothing ghastly about her, this situation, or her life. We should all be so compassionate.

“Wednesday the 15th - Chris made one of her rare good points today.”
Guanolad

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I see someone watches the show, and shops eBay. But the whole “it takes a village” remarks is so petty and shallow.

Where in history, where one teacher, takes one student, far from “civilization”, teaches him the wonders of the world, and sends back a great contributor, does that statement fit in?

Lets just say If I find one example that doesnt fit in your theory, you are wrong and I win.

Alexander the Great, Aristotle, Archimedes.

I win.

:slight_smile: Thank you for playing, we have some lovely parting gifts for you.

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FTR, I don’t watch much TV, I just happen pay attention. I wouldn’t know what perusing eBay auctions has to do with anything.

You win? I wasn’t aware there was a contest going on…however…

Kinda negates the theory that a child being raised by a single person is a bad thing, doesn’t it?

Go away, kid, you bug me.

“Wednesday the 15th - Chris made one of her rare good points today.”
Guanolad

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Exactly, so It’s an individual responsibility. A well rounded, capable, individual. Not a societal duty, or societal burden.

and dont refer to an older man as KID, you tacky self admitted bastard.

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Gee whilikers, let me help shove this thread waaaay off topic. I love tangents!

Gosh Mikey, you’re right. Raising children is an individual responsibility. That’s why I keep mine in a pit in the basement. That way they aren’t exposed to the rest of the world and therefore don’t learn anything about anything from anybody but me.

Don’t be a knucklehead. People (including children) learn from everything and everybody they come in contact with. Yes, as a parent, my wife and I are primarily responsible for our childrens’ upbringing. That is our dual shared (not individual – we’re a team) responsibility. It’s our job to make sure our kids turn out well.

But I’d be a fool to think my kids could be insulated from any other source of learning other than myself. Even a child that lived on a desert island with its single parent for company (little Gilligan, Jr.) would learn things from sources other than his parent.

Plus, anybody who had only one teacher in life is limiting himself to a mighty small pool of knowledge. No one persons knows or can teach everything.

Another thought – the best, if not the only way, to learn about people is to interact with them. Can’t do that in a vacuum. But, hey, you obviously knew that already.

Plunging like stones from a slingshot on Mars.

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Moron: “Bastard” I can deal with, because it either further proves that you didn’t read I damn thing I wrote, or it simply proves that you have no idea what the definition of “bastard” is. So, yeah, I can hang with “bastard”…but “tacky”? TACKY???

Roll it and run it, schmuck.

“Wednesday the 15th - Chris made one of her rare good points today.”
Guanolad