A friend sent me this link:
Sorry Everybody
I don’t know what gets to me more, the apologies or the people from other countries commiserating with us.
I know that my first thought on hearing that Kerry had conceded was a quote from Bless the Beasts and the Children:
(Oh, and hey: Notice that this thread is in MPSIMS, not GD or the Pit. Let’s limit any discussion to the topic of the linked site, m’kay? Can we please keep it friendly-like?)
Hm, I wonder if anyone will start a “speakforyourselves.com” to counteract this.
Dear God, what a pack of insecure weenies.
Hey Chairman, it didn’t take as long as you thought.
Based on the small sample size, the werenotsorry.com submitters are WAY WAY WAY WAY scarier than the weresorry.com submitters. Sheesh, take a look at that group.
I am especially impressed at the submitters who felt it was necessary to pose with rifles.
Well, yes, because after all, they have to show what freedom they feel is most important. :rolleyes:
Man, the more I look at the “we’re not sorry” site, the more I think it must be a parody. I don’t think you could get more stereotypical Bush voters if you tried.
At least I’m hoping it is. I’m getting scared if they’re all real people. Maybe thinking about moving to Liberalfornia.
My reaction to this site is safely contained in the appropriate forum.
http://www.sorryeverybody.com/gallery/6/
I love the crying Jesus about halfway down the page. 
I loved the picture of the pandas. I do find it upsetting how many of the pictures trash the red zone. If I had a digital camera, I’d inform them that there’s life down here in Tennessee too.
Somehow I do not feel that all those people really feel this is a second Civil. Most of them, to me, are presenting the attitude that most slightly left leaning and even some right leaning people felt in American post-election. Kind of light-hearted, really.
:rolleyes: Sure, sure. 2,600 some odd people feel bad about electing Bush. This is as pointless as it gets.
ON the We are not Sorry site there are some photos in the photo section that seem to belong in the 'Photoshopped" section.
I think this guy was added to the wheat field.
This one is pretty suspect, I don’t think that’s her head.
Now maybe the people in these photos edited the images themselves and submitted them but maybe not.
But look at these two in the Photoshop section.
I think you have to copy and paste the graphics URLs into your browser address bar to get them to work. This is my favorite (halfway down on page one of the “Photoshopped” section). http://www.werenotsorry.com/images/PSArt/sorryBSapologists.jpg
I agree with manhattan on this one. The “sorryeverybody” folks look like they haven’t got a brain in their head. The one with the girl begging that they not blow up her county in Texas was just too much.
The folks on werenotsorry.com are scary in a different way, but remember: their site would have never existed if it were not for the first one.
I wanted to start a collection to put an ad in every newspaper in the rest of the world to let people know that 49% of us are not idiots.
So - count me as one who would gladly join in.
Maybe some of you don’t give a damn what the rest of the world thinks. Great foreign policy. Will do wonders for world peace and world economy.
Is the website for real? Who cares…there are a lot of people, like myself, who agree with the concept.
Yeah, reading through that site made me feel much more hopeful about the future of the US and much more sanguine about grassroots Americans’ inclination to work as part of the international community than I have at any time since Nov. 1. But then, I am a commie cocksucker from Canuckistan, not a Real American Hero[sup]TM[/sup], so YMMV.
I might understand the need to let “the rest of the world” know that not everybody agree with Bush, but I don’t really get the need to apologize, nor the fact that people are ashamed.
There’s no need to apologize for something you weren’t involved in. If you voted against Bush, disagree with his policies, etc…why would you feel ashamed? Besides, you can’t apologize on the behalf of someone else (people who voted for Bush, or Bush himself) who has no intention to apologize. It’s just meaningless.
Honestly, this need to apologize seems to me to come from the same source as comments about being proud of being american, or statements like “you’d be all speaking german if it wasn’t for US” (nope…not YOU, generally…your grand-father, maybe) coming from the other side. I think both sets of people identify themselves way too much with their country.
I think apologies should be reserved to people who were involved or supported a given action and only adressed to people who suffered from said action. For instance, if someone who rabidly supported the war in Irak apologize to Iraki citizens, that’s fine. But someone who didn’t support this war apologizing to a french citizen like me who never got harmed just doesn’t make sense. You could as well apologize to me because your brother’s dog bite your neighbor.
I firmly hold the belief that responsabilty, guilt, etc…is a purely individual issue. We do operate collectively as a nation, sometimes benefiting from it, sometimes suffering from it. As such we are liable in the material sense for whatever evil our nation commited. For instance, if my country mess up, I’ve no issue with paying more taxes to indemnize the victims. But I’m not going to feel guilty nor to personnally apologize for said mess up if I wasn’t involved in it, let alone if I actively opposed it. The representants of a nation, in particular head of states, can apologize for their countries’ past actions. But it’s only a symbolic move because they’re a symbolic embodiement of their country. An individual citizen has no such duty.
One is responsible for one’s actions (or lack thereof). Not for someone else’s actions, even when this someone else is born in the same piece of land or happen to be one’s second cousin. Of course, the corollary is that one can’t hide behind the concept of nation to avoid one’s individual responsability (“the democratically elected president/hauptsturmführer told us to do so” doesn’t fly in my book). It can only mitigate responsability because it can restrict the ability to freely make an informed choice.
I do not accept the concept of collective guilt anymore than the concept of collective pride. There are some cases where 99,9% of us actually deserve blame, but it’s still based on our individual choices, decisions or actions, even if nearly everybody else made the same wrongful choice.
Yeah but, you are from France.
I kid! I kid!
Actually I agree with you. Yes we fought hard in this election and although we may not like the outcome, we hardly need to apologize to the world for our ‘failing’ as we did not fail.
I dunno about guilt; but I know that when my government fucks up royally on the world stage (such as not even sending a sitting MP to the Hague conference in 2000, or about walling off half of Quebec City to hold a conference about how to destroy the hemisphere’s social programs most efficiently, and so forth), I certainly feel embarrassed, despite not having voted for them.
Man, the people on that site really are sorry. Hey, I voted for Kerry, but I have family and friends that are a part of the 51%. No way in hell could I side withy any of those crazies.
