I wonder what would have happened if all of this had come out at one time in a single bombshell rather than the drips ad drabs that let us all get used to the creeping insanity of the situation we are in.
I have to say that, although I believed I was somewhat immune to propaganda, I really fell for the narrative that Mueller was some sort of heavyweight operator. I never heard him speak before this testimony. He was lavished with praise and I believed in the extraordinary myth of his competence. In this testimony, I saw him for what he really is. A career bureaucrat. I’ve seen more competence from part-time postmen. He looked like he would be unsure of himself ordering toast at a diner.
I still believe he is among the best and brightest government has to offer at his level. That is the sad state of the US regime which is clearly in decline. The media hacks played off each other and built him into quite literally a square-jawed DeNiro character. They really did him a disservice.
The hard-nosed G-Men would be rolling over in their graves. Now that Russiagate has finally been interred forevermore, please let this man retire in peace. I am begging the holdouts to move on with their life as well.
Due to an amazing set of circumstances, Donald Trump was surrounded by greedy and treasonous slimeballs. He is the innocent and virginal Snow White at the center of a Mongolian clusterfuck. Mueller was forbidden to indict, which is solid proof that Trump isn’t guilty.
How is it that you guys can type, but cannot read?
Out of curiosity, does Trump’s inner circle actually believe their own bullshit, or are they aware of what they’re doing. Just using Sarah Huckabee Sanders as an example, who tweeted:
“Didn’t take long for Mueller to once again vindicate President @realDonaldTrump. No collusion. No obstruction. And now Mueller all but admits it was all along a total witch hunt”
Now, it doesn’t take a lot to show that this is clearly untrue. Mueller specifically said the opposite of this. Does Sanders actually believe her message, do you think? I just can’t quite get my head around the psychology here.
They believe that bullshit as earnestly as OJ believes there’s a “real killer” out there somewhere.
The inner circle believes in power. Bullshit is just a tool to gain and retain power.
The person of interest is Trump, not Mueller. But, whatever it takes to distract from the actual report and testimony, I guess.
A conclusion inconsistent with the facts.
I’m trying to distract from the testimony by referencing it directly. Interesting theory.
I really wish I had never heard the testimony. Now I know that I am susceptible to propaganda when I considered myself above it.
Your discussion was about Mueller himself. :rolleyes:
Maybe not in the way you think you are.
:smack:
I didn’t have my glasses on and didn’t know he was a Republican, but WTF! Is he planning a run against Trump?
Cuz he is beatable in the general.
Maybe she’s engaging in some sort of ironic performance art.
Subject to …
Nothing? Where are you going with this?
The last paragraph of Article 1 Section 2 of the US Constitution in it’s entirety is… “The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.”
That’s the end of it. There is no, “Subject to…”
The psychology is simple. The average person isn’t going to read 100s of pages of government reports. The average person isn’t going to listen to 7 hours of “could you repeat that question” from grampa Simpson. No. The average person is going to tune into their preferred news network and listen for a few minutes to some “analyst” that they already agree with.
I don’t often agree with you but this is basically dead on.
If it makes you feel any better, none of us thought you were.
Ever bought a name brand over a generic?
Let’s go ahead and put this behind us. Impeachment is not going to happen. And if it does, we could kiss goodbye to those few dozen Democratic reps in districts that Donald won in 2016. So we can either continue a fight that we cannot win and in the process lose the House in 2020, or we can focus on what the people really care about: health care, climate change, jobs, and so on. Focus on the day when Donald’s misdeeds could actually cost him. I would like for the new Democrat-run DOJ to indict him on 1/20/21 or at the earliest date thereafter. Work toward that, and not for a chance for Senate Republicans to hand hm an acquittal in an election year.
That’s probably the best strategy, and for other reasons too:
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President Pence would pursue similarly evil and destructive policies as President, but somewhat competently and without disgraceful personal conduct to discredit them;
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The impeachment trial would happen in an election year, would be easily labelled as a campaign stunt, and the cries of “Let the people decide!” would be strong and not unreasonable;
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Maybe most significantly, having Individual-1 renominated and still in office will perpetuate the Republican brand’s toxicity, inevitably (?) affecting all the downticket races too. Less so if he’s out.
Alternate plan. Use the word “impeach” just enough for the legal minimum. Investigate on that basis. Let nervous Dems be cautious and uncertain, and let them say so. Let them say stuff like “Well, we aren’t there yet, we need to investigate”. And then, investigate. Make the results public, then investigate the next thing. (Not like there is any lack of stuff to look at.) Keep doing that until we run out of stuff to investigate. (Ha! Just kidding, there is no bottom, wish there was, but no…) And, of course, let Sanders, AOC, etc. do their thing right along. We don’t need unity, we need to make the *case *for unity.
If we cut the Forces of Darkness any slack, they will resist all the good stuff we want to accomplish even more, because they will think they are winning. Gotta make them nervous, looking over their shoulders. They aren’t going to trade and compromise in good faith, they are way, way past that. Then we have to trust the people. Remember, more people voted against Trump than for him, so it isn’t that bad a bet.
And Il Douche is a reliable ally when it comes to showing what a total asshole he is.
And then what?