I thought it was a joke. There was no point to all that other than to give Fury a vacation, which is what he was doing when they called him.
It just occurred to me why the Skrull ship came back, maybe. I think when Danvers got Fury’s page at the end of Avenger: Infinity War, she prevailed on the Skrull she was escorting to give her a lift back. It’s a long way, probably, from where she was to Earth. She might be able to make the trip by herself, but it’d be a lot more feasible on a ship - not too many rest stops in spaace!
Once there, it’d be natural for Talos and such to say hello to Fury, and do a favour for him - namely, cover for him for a while while he takes a vacation.
I think the point was that Fury is THE spy, and there’s no way Mysterio’s whole scheme would have gotten past him.
Here’s a point I saw online that I wish I thought of myself because I think I agree with it: EDITH seems an awful lot like the system Hydra-SHIELD tried to deploy in the Winter Soldier that Cap fought so hard to stop.
If it was just a joke about Fury on a vacation, they’d have just put him on a beach. Not a holo-beach on a previously undisclosed space station crewed by aliens.
That scene is a huge nod to what’s coming up in the next phase.
Agreed, Fury is obviously on a mission of some kind. The holo-beach was basically just him hanging out in the breakroom.
In that it’s an instantly deployable strike system, yes. But they already have that, with varying degrees of effectiveness (from sending in a black ops team to ordering a missile strike). The point of Hydra’s system was Zola’s algorithm to predict and prevent future ‘threats’.
But yes, the idea of having a massive global strike capacity, coupled with near-instant access to virtually every kind of data, and having it concentrated in the hands of a single person—and a 16 year old, at that—is certainly more troubling than the film lets on.
LIke HMHW said, it’s not quite the same, but I think we can all agree Cap would not have approved of it. A space-based system to send an Iron Man suit anywhere, that’s fine. Hundreds of kill-drones tied to an A.I., not so much.
You want Ultrons? This is how you get Ultrons.
I liked it. Another solid hit for the MCU.
I’ve never been a Spider-Man reader. So I don’t know the stories and didn’t know who Mysterio was. But I figured out that he was going to turn heel during the movie because he was just being too perfect for it to be real.
I felt they glossed over the aftereffects of the Blip. They acknowledged it had happened but beyond that you wouldn’t have noticed it. The world seemed to be up and running exactly like it had been before. It was like setting a movie in Europe in late 1945 and not showing any damage from the war. It would have been more realistic if they had been constant details about the recovery in the background. That said, I understand it’s a movie and that wasn’t the tone they were going for.
On a similar note of whining about movie realities, why were Mysterio and Spider-Man the only heroes we saw? This is another example of the MCU getting too big to work for individual character movies. Okay, we name checked Iron Man and Thor and Dr Strange and Captain Marvel not being available. But where was War Machine and Black Panther and Hulk and Hawkeye and Scarlet Witch and the new Captain America and Bucky Barnes and Wong and Ant Man and Wasp and Valkyrie?
I liked the JK Simmons cameo even though I haven’t seen the earlier Spider-Man movies.
I wasn’t happy with the Skrull reveal. I understand that they’re setting up a future movie but I feel they did it at the expense of the characters. If Nick Fury and Maria Hill can be replaced so easily by lookalikes then they’re not really that vital as individuals; apparently anyone can step in and do what they do.
Marisa Tomei is hot.
My head canon is that since it wasn’t REALLY Fury, Thalos could only get a hold of Parker easily. Plus since he also wasn’t REALLY Fury, he didn’t quite understand the danger they were in to call anyone but Spidey.
The whinging about where was (other hero) has been going on since the first team-up in the source material 50+ years ago. If one absolutely needs an excuse, just say to oneself that the individuals were handling their own stories and we’re indisposed. But if it bothers one too much, then maybe one should decline shared universe movies.
None of those people are at Fury’s beck and call. Several of them are fugitives in hiding (Wanda and Bucky and possibly War Machine after the events of infinity war). The wizards made it clear they only deal with wizard stuff, Falcon and Hawkeye are very very low powered and no use against any real threat. You can’t just kidnap the king of Wakanda and send him off on missions. And we have no idea how hurt Hulk was after using the gauntlet, wasn’t his arm on a sling during the last scene of Endgame? Wanda is really the only one of that group that’s a big enough heavy hitter to actually take on threats of the level the elementals were supposed to be, and after what they did to her at the end of Civil War she’d probably tell them to fuck off.
Just saw it tonight.
I enjoyed it, and have a couple of thoughts:
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When Peter was asking Fury where everyone was and he said “Captain Marvel” I was wondering why Fury said something to the effect of “don’t mention her name to me”. It seemed out of place, but not if he was a Skrull!
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When they got home I noticed that a driver was there to pick up Flash. And he asked why father (or he might have said mother) wasn’t there and they were too busy. I think Flash or his dad will be the Green Goblin in the next Spider-Man movie.
MtM
This kind of logic works if you’re fighting the Vulture or the Green Goblin or Doctor Octopus. Those are the kinds of villains where you can tell Spider-Man to sink or swim. But this was a threat that we were explicitly told was about to destroy the entire planet.
The studio needs to realize it’s telling two levels of stories. When it’s telling stories about single characters it needs to restrict itself to villains who are acceptable level threats. They need to save the world threatening villains like Thanos and Dormammu and these supposed elementals for the team-up movie where they throw every hero at them.
There was another villain foreshadowed in the movie. Dmitri, the SHIELD agent who was sent to escort the tour group, is apparently the Chameleon.
The fact that it wasn’t really Fury also made it easier for Mysterio to pull off his scam – the real Nick Fury might have ID’d him as a disgruntled former Stark employee and started pulling the threads apart from there.
I disagree. I don’t even have to fanwank it away. As a lifelong comic book reader, we (other comic book readers) have had this conversation innumerous times, but at the end of the day, one simply moves on, one stops reading comic books, or one becomes a one-note curmudgeon always ehinging about the same issue. Now that comic books are coming to life on the big screen, same principle. I don’t want a solo movie to be hamstrung simply because the bigger universe has characters who might make the plot laughably easy.
Late to the party here, but I finally saw this, which for a long time was the only MCU movie I had missed.
Overall, I’d rank it in the middle tier for MCU movies (which I’m generally a fan of). Lots to like, but didn’t hold together overall.
Things I liked:
-Tom Holland is fantastic as Peter Parker, and his chemistry with MJ was great, as were all his friends, etc
-Lots of the comedy was great. Nick Fury (or faux Nick Fury as it turns out) being constantly interrupted was hilarious
-Happy and May was fun
-The Eurotrip vibe was entertaining
-I liked how much they acknowledged the Blip. Enough to take seriously, enough to answer some basic questions about the logistics of how it worked, but it wasn’t the focus of the movie.
-I came in with zero knowledge of Mysterio as a character, so not sure I would have picked up on the big twist… except it was unfortunately spoiled for me in a review of Wandavision. Boo! But it seemed like a generally well executed twist, other than the “hey, we’ve saved the world and the movie is only half over” factor
Things that didn’t work so well:
-Right before the twist, it did seem weird that Mysterio, wearing his full Mysterio outfit, right after very publicly saving the world, would just be sitting in a cafe, chatting, without getting mobbed by reporters/wellwishers/herogroupies/etc. Clearly it was a fake cafe, but it seemed fake to begin with. You can’t both have a universe in which Spiderman is getting mobbed by fans/reporters and then later on this “new hero” can just sit around in a pub
-“they’re former Stark employees who are pissed off” is an interesting angle… lots of fertile territory in acknowledging what a total jackass Tony must have been for any remotely normal person to interact with. But I think it went wrong in a couple of ways: (a) they were all way too quickly willing to mass murder innocent civilians (b) what was their endgame? How are they going to monetize being Mysterio? And what do they do the next time an actual non-holographic danger threatens earth?
-Unlike most people, I didn’t like the big illusion fight at all. If everything is fake, nothing means anything. And it didn’t make any sense at all that that level of illusion was developed that quickly, given that we saw it was just humans coming up with animations behind the scenes. That’s how it would be fighting Dr. Strange or Scarlet Witch messing with your mind, not a normal human being with a big production company at his disposal. And of course it was yet another example of the villain not actually killing the hero when it seems he intends to and could
-The big faked video at the end (spidey is evil) was fun to watch, but can’t possibly be intended to hold up under any level of scrutiny, can it? If nothing else, Beck’s story is going to fall apart immediately once his face is seen and people are like “oh, yeah, I went to high school with that guy, and then he got fired from Stark industries… hmmm…”
-But his secret identity being outed is a neat twist. Fairly few of the MCU heroes actually have secret identities. Ant-Man, I guess? Not an area they’ve really played around with a lot.
Definitely eager for the next Spidey movie, given the truly bonkers rumors we’ve now heard about it.
This was my single biggest problem with the movie. I don’t understand what “Mysterio” was trying to do. He got control of E.D.I.T.H.*. And then he fakes another attack? So he can…become an Avenger? Why? I can almost buy that it’s an ego trip for him, and Tony Stark was an Avenger, so he wants to be one too, but why would his support team care? What do they get out of it?
*The second biggest problem is the global death-from-the-sky system that Tony Stark off-handedly gives control of to a teenager, without any training or even a user’s manual, or apparently any safety protocols, so that the first time he uses it he accidentally almost kills a classmate. And that’s after the events of Iron Man 3 and Age of Ultron, wherein Tony supposedly learned his lesson about building automated global “defense” systems using swarms of killer bots.
Not to mention the likelihood that the world will actually need EDITH, except that Peter took the glasses home and put them up on a plaque over his fireplace in honor of Tony, or something like that. I agree, that whole part was kind of fun but didn’t make either real-world sense or in-universe-character-growth sense.