Sporty College car. Suggestions?

Im a new college student, and looking for a car of my own. Im driving my mom’s Mazda Tribute right now, but as of early summer, my sister will turn 16, and I have to buy a car of my own (she gets the mazda then). So!

I have a budget of around 12k. I am looking for something reliable, not expensive, and fun to drive. Insurance isn’t that big of a factor, as long as it doesnt go too terribly high then it really doesn’t matter. Reliablility would be wonderful, but I am learning my way around cars, so I figure I can handle most anything they can throw at me.

Right now I am looking at:

Mazda6- fun sedan, should go into my price range by the time I buy, great track record with mazdas
Mazda Miata- Fun car! A friends mom has one, and I love the thing. Only two seats, which is a downside.
Toyota MR2 Spyder- Awesome looking, apparently fun to drive, but only two seats and little to no storage room. Reliable Toyota engine, fast.
Toyota Celica- Cute, affordable, and reliable. From what I have read it isnt that fast, which is a downside.

Thats all Ive been able to narrow it down to so far. Any and all imput would be appreciated!

“new college student” + “12k car budget” ?



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How about a Nissan Sentra?

Your parents will love ya to pieces if they’re footing the bill. (Because there reliable)
And oh yeah…
GET OFF MY LAWN!!!

Mazda 3

2001 and below subaru impreza RS(this is what i’m looking at!)

Mazdaspeed protege

The Mazda 3 would be wonderful if you could find one in your price range. Any of the ones you listed are great choices. The Toyota Celica in GT-S trim is actually probably the quickest car on your list. Personally, I would go with the Miata. That is the end-all cheap/fun car. If the two seat thing is too big a downside, consider the Ford Focus. You seem to be partial to Japanese cars, but the Focus is very well-balanced (and therefore fun), it’s got loads of room – especially the 5-door hatchback – and it’s inexpensive. The hatchbacks look great, too. Don’t count it out.

Of course, there’s always the ~'00 Acura Integra, and the beautiful '99+ Prelude. Insurance will be a little higher on these. The Integra is decently fun, reliable, and utilitarian. The Prelude’s a little faster, just as reliable, has a nicer interior, and is probably a little more fun to drive, but it’s a little more expensive, and you lose some utility.

      • Whatever you get, consider getting some lower-profile tires for whatever wheels it’s got (you don’t need fancy wheels, or wider wheels/tires). The lower-profile tires effectively lowers the top speed but improves the accelleration, and they have a lot more “road feel”. The downsides are that the engine spins a bit higher all the time (not a big deal if you don’t take a lot of long trips anyway) and there is a slightly higher risk of road damage to the wheels & tires. The tires themselves don’t even have to cost a lot–there are cheaper brands as well.
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I say Integra if your a guy and Miata if your a girl. Theres tons of other choices but Im trying to keep it short and sweet.

“Whatever you get” ???
First of all many of the sportier cars already have a tire size that will compliment a sportier suspension. Second of all, unless the overall diameter of the tire is changing significantly (which it wont be) then your changes in acceleration and top end will be negligible. And thirdly, a cheaper model low profile tire generally carries a low speed rating, defeating the purpose of even going to a lower sidewall tire. Basically, whatever you get, dont worry about changing your tire size unless your trying to rice it out, i.e. stiffer/lower suspension and a big coffee can exhaust.

My usual response: :wink:

12000 gets you a lot of SERIOUSLY capable machinery. I’ve driven a couple of these in real life and all of them in video games. I’ve worked on most of them. They’re about the best drivers’ cars I can think of; tremendously fast and built before the intrusion of driver “aids” like traction control.

It gets you as good a C4 Corvette as you please (1984-96). That’s classified by the SCCA in A-stock and is the dominant car in the class. They do 13.5 second quarter miles, about 160 miles per hour, and get around 25 miles per gallon on the highway. City mileage is just barely the wrong side of 20. My time on Grand Valley East with this car is 1:13.4. I expect to see some rather rough early C5s around this sort of money soon but I’d prefer to have an older car in better condition.

It gets you a 3rd-generation RX7 but I don’t recommend those because the turbo rotary tends to go “bang” at random. I did 1:11.8 on Grand Valley East, making this probably the fastest stock car you can get for twelve thou.

It gets you two Nissan 300ZX Turbos. This is the sportscar everyone forgot about. 23 MPG city, 30 MPG highway. 14 seconds in the quarter, 155 MPH top speed, and 1:14.8 on GVE.

A late-90s Camaro/Firebird with the aluminum LS1 V8 is in that price bracket. Do not discount the “redneck rocket”. Beyond anything else, they beat a LOT of cars you don’t expect them to in the corners, and they beat almost anything on the straights. They run high 12s in the quarter. They get over 30 miles per gallon on the highway.

The Miata and MR2 are seriously good cars. They’re cheap to run and service. They’re terrific to drive. They’ve got excellent reputations for reliability that are entirely deserved. If you don’t really care about straight-line speed they’re the best options you’ve got. Best of all, they have great owners’ groups that’ll give you advice on any difficult mechanical work, and often organize great group drives. They run high 15s in the quarter and get 25-30 MPG.

On one hand, the “big iron” (usually “big aluminum” nowadays) has a lot of things going for it. They’re no more expensive to insure than the smaller stuff (a Honda CRX is the most expensive car to insure), they were made after the automakers knew how to make a car reliable and durable but before they got rid of steering feel, and the gas mileage is about what you’d get out of a Miata.

On the other hand, I’ve looked at your choices and they’re all great. The Celica is fast if you get the 180-horsepower engine (in the GT-S) and the six-speed manual box. The Mazda6 was described by EVO magazine as better than an E46 BMW 3-series to drive. They’re about the most reliable cars you can buy.

As for wheels and tires, don’t bother with anything bigger in diameter than the factory size. What matters for cornering speed is tire width, and you shouldn’t need to go overboard with that, either - the stock size is usually about optimum on most sporty cars nowadays. Plain steel wheels are often just as light as expensive alloys. The tires matter a lot more. Post a second thread if you want tire recommendations.

One suggestion: Spend $10000 on the car, and spend $1500 at the local Sears Roebuck buying a very large Craftsman hand tool set. This’ll contain most of what you need to work on your car. Get a set of jackstands and a decent (hydraulic) shop jack. Being able to work on your own car gets rid of a major expense. Don’t do tire or brake hydraulic work, and don’t be afraid to ask a local mechanic for advice when you get stuck. He’s gonna hit on you anyway so at least get useful information out of him.

Tire technology has advanced a lot in the last few years, mostly by the off-brand manufacturers.

Kumho now makes the best commercially-available racing tire, called the V710. This is of interest if you intend to go autocrossing or to trackdays. Destroying a set of four $50 street tires every third autocross is a lot more expensive than buying a set of four $120 race tires and having them last a season plus a trackday or two. With a stock car on street tires, you will lose autocrosses badly. The same car on race tires is instantly at least competitive in the class and the range of cars in a given class is smaller than the difference between a good driver and a really good one.

If Kumho doesn’t make the V710 in your size, then Avon (Tech R and Tech R-A), Nitto, or Hoosier may. The difference between these tires is an order of magnitude smaller than the difference between the worst of them on a good day and a street tire. Kumhos, Nittos, and Avons all cost about the same and last about as long. Hoosiers are a few dollars more and don’t last as long.

There are now a bunch of off-brand street tires that are better than the established brands’ products. The dominant tires in Street Touring classes that require street tires are the Falken Azenis and Kumho Ecsta Supra 712. Other tires that I’ve driven on the street and have found to be excellent are the Sumitomo HTR200, the Fuzion HRi or ZRi, and the Kelly Charger EVO Z. The Kelly should pick up a few Falken and Kumho drivers in autocross next year.

I’ll give you the boring practical answer: College life usually means moving every now and then. That’s going to suck in a two seater, unless your two seats are in the cab of a truck like a ford ranger or toyota tacoma.

reliable? yes
not expensive? yes
fun to drive? two out of three isn’t bad.

A bus.

Put the money into savings. Dip into the savings to rent a vehicle if you really need it for the weekend.

Thanks for all of y’alls suggestions! Its been very helpful in my search.

For now, parents have vetoed the two seaters. Period. They are splitting the bill, so I guess it is all fair. So, from taking y’alls suggestions and other that I have found, I have a slightly modified list:

Mazda6
Toyota Celica
Suzuki Reno
Nissan Sentra
Honda Prelude

Yes, I do have a thing for japanese cars, but I hate when “gangstas” trick out their car with oversized spoilers, coffee can exhausts, and all the other assorted expensive gagets they can squeeze in there. I do plan on making the car (whichever I get) faster, and a little flashier, but none of that stuff. Im in Houston, every teenage boy has done that to their car. As a girl, frankly they would just laugh at me. Then either forget about me or hit on me.

I do want a fast car, preferably fast overall, not just fast acceleration. Im hoping to do some weekend track racing with it, and outrace my boyfriend’s car. Yep, especially that last part.
(and if you are reading this, I love you and forgive me if I do have a faster car than you! Think of it as motivation)

And again, thanks for the suggestions and help so far! I’l look into the wheels of whatever car I get, if I do any true racing then Id probably need new wheels for the track, or just new wheels period, seeing as I drive rather… fast.

I would Ethilrist, but my university is in the middle of Third Ward houston. I don’t even drive around here with the doors unlocked, or walk around at night alone. Two days ago an aquantance of mine was jumped by three guys and was beaten badly enough to be taken to the hospital, and is still there.

Busses are out of the question for now unless I move campuses! :slight_smile:

I would think for that money you could get a well maintained station car and put the rest towards not taking any loans out.

So whats with the list of FWD cars?

unfortunately, FWD cars are cheaper and easier to find than RWD or AWD cars. If you have any suggestions for affordable RWD cars, then do tell!

Go for a Prelude or an Integra if you’re looking for a cool and possibly fast car. My brother has owned multiple of both (he can’t keep a car for more than a year before he gets bored) and they are awesome cars.

You can get a audi quattro or a Subaru impreza RS or wrx for 12k if you look hard enough.

You might be able to find a mid 90’s 330i.

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