This is certainly not your granddaddy’s Federation.
I thought this was a good episode, the TyVoq thing remains stupid but putting Empress Georgiou back in the captains chair and siccing her on Qo’nos is rather nice, bringing the series almost back to the beginning. One more to go to see how it ends, but I won;'t be holding my breath for series 2.
But… why? She’s the Empress of a ruthless and monstrous regime where the most ruthless and monstrous rise to the top, and eats sentient species for dinner. So yeah, let’s just put her in the captains seat because… reasons? What sort of sense, dramatically or otherwise, does that make?
The whole thing is just haphazardly slapped together. Like the spore drive itself—the more you think about it, the less sense it makes. This episode, they didn’t even try to make sense of how they used the moon to make new spores. I mean, the shroom is some pan-dimensional entity that also grows like a completely normal, albeit all bluey-glowey, mushroom? And why the hell do you need the spores to navigate the shroom network anyway? Why that weird rotation on each jump?
It all just seems like a grab-bag of ideas somebody thought were cool, with little regard to how they might fit together…
Then again, I’m still watching, I suppose.
I’ve always found the logic on this show to be rather convoluted, but at least they’re trying out some new ideas. I don’t see why they continue to give TyVoq so much freedom and latitude, since he’s been a menace pretty much since he came on board. What are his redeeming qualities again? Burnham likes him? I’m also not so sure why they trust the mirrorverse Georgiou. Her experience and her frame of reference are literally not of this world. Will she do the right thing when the time comes?
It would be neat to have a TOS prequel that used the same cheap affects and sets as the original, but say had them malfunction quite a bit. Also an episode that debates whether the captain’s uniform is green or gold would be pretty awesome. Can’t see that happening on Discovery though. Maybe on Orville.
Thanks for starting the thread.
Yeah this episode feels like it is heading to Crazy Town at full speed. It also almost guarantees there will be some sort of shenanigans resetting this out of the timeline. There isn’t any reasonable way I could see to reconcile it with the previous shows. Still, it was fun and exciting and Saru is still great.
There must be some reason they put the Empress in charge. Something revealed next week maybe.
It’s a little dumb but finally seeing Starbase One is kind of a big deal to long time Trek fans. So it was a little anticlimactic seeing it in ruins with a Klingon symbol plastered on it. It would have been nice to see it undamaged earlier in the series.
I really have no idea where this is going which is a good thing.
They need a war time captain that has no problem commiting acts of genocide, Lorca is out for the moment so what does an admiral that has no business taking charge of Disco to do.
Note that it was the Vulcan who set her up, because it was the “logical” thing to do, of course.
Im really hoping they do something so nuts the fanbase explodes like: Kill Sarek or blow up Qo’Nos.
Also for those who are like “Why set this in the time period they did at all”? I could be wrong but wasn’t this supposed to be an anthology? So it makes sense to set it in different time periods. Next season could have been about the first Romulan War.
By the way, I just thought of a dumb way to reconcile TOS tech with DISC. Make the Connies an entirely different design based on a now-gone fear of being hacked ala NuBSG. So one wing of SF kept going with the DISC design while a different created the Connies. Also keep in mind the Constiution class ships are supposed to be deep space exploration vessels. So it makes even more sense to retro-tech their systems. They constantly go on about “Manual override”…not that it ever works.
I find it convoluted, but interesting.
I’ll continue to watch.
on the plus side - we learned what happened to the ISS Discovery when it entered ‘our’ universe.
thats all.
the rest, I just don’t have the energy to talk about - I await the season finale and the big flashing reset button.
I had high hopes - and up until this half of the season, saw (and enjoyed) how it fit into the ‘big picture’ - yeah, it was different, yeah ‘midichlorian space travel’ , yeah - but overall - not bad. Elements of this half of the season were interesting - but overall - doesn’t really rate a meh.
Star Trek’s casualty figures are always so weirdly low. Early in the episode they talked about how the klingons burned out the atmosphere of a planet, killing a whole 11,000 people. You would think in a genocidal war between giant star empires that have the power of interstellar travel at their hands you’d have regular death counts in the billions or more, but Trek has always used figures of a few hundred or thousand casualties as being this huge deal. Just a weird sense of scale.
Speaking of weird sense of scale, didn’t they say that starbase 1 was located 100AU from Earth? What was that nice large oceanic planet in the background?
I really want to know what you people watch when you’re not watching Discovery.
Every week this thread is a bunch of people who thought they were sitting down to Young Sheldon but ended up watching Breaking Bad.
Is it just you cannot see that the Federation has always been terrible at warfare? I mean, it’s always been a running gag that they have woefully undergunned ships considering how large their vessels are. Civilian hairdressers and daycares get to tour the galaxy…
In this past episode we had it solidly demonstrated that the Feddies SUCK at war and got their asses kicked by a bunch of ragtag random foes who shoot first and ask questions never.
If you think of all the battles we saw Lorca in, it’s obvious in retrospect why Discovery was singlehandedly turning the tide of the war.
So of course the Admiral is going to jump at putting the Empress in charge of a ship: the Admiral has no clue how to fight a war.