What’s with the obsession with cursing? TOS through Enterprise were broadcast in a time and place where cursing wasn’t allowed on TV. If you could have said “fuck” on TV in 1967, Kirk most definitely would have said “fuck”.
Because it lowers the tone of the entire show, and if they wanted too, they could have expanded on it during the movies, but didn’t.
I imagine your experience is centuries beyond anything as crude as television.
I haven’t done a study of it, but 60% for another series in one of the most popular franchises in the history of popular entertainment sounds TERRIBLE. It should get a high score almost by default.
RT audience scores by comparison:
Next Generation: 89%
Deep Space Nine: 86%
Voyager: 74%
Enterprise: 77%
Discovery: 42%
Picard: 57%
42% has to be pretty close to the floor for a Star Trek show and Picard is holding up next to last.
No, just about 5 years or so - which is the last time any (non-comic book) science fiction show was featured on broadcast television. I think Person of Interest was the last. SF is exclusively on streaming now.
You forgot The Orville. It’s only the best Star Trek show in existance. 
Read my replies again, I said that I only had an OK view of it, not really an endorsement, CBS can do better.
I was only commenting that it was not a disaster because that is what the OP is going for. Just saying that most people do not agree with that being a disaster, most only did go: Meh.
I’ll second that assessment. Cool stories, good actors and characters, and a good dose of humour thrown in.
Which is now going to be broadcast exclusively on Hulu starting with Season 3 (with no guarantee it goes beyond that).
Thinking that putting Picard on All Access instead of CBS is some clue as to them not thinking it was going to be popular is silly. Discovery was highly anticipated but CBS chose to let it push All Access subs. Same applies to The Good Fight and now, UEFA Champions League.
Hey, guys, I’ve found the time traveller…
Says you.
Stephen Fry would disagree.
I have various issues with Picard (and particularly the finale which was rushed and silly) but there was much in it I enjoyed as well. I have no problem with the Federation becoming more insular and fear-driven after a major terrorist event (to paraphrase George Carlin, you don’t have to be Fellini to see the metaphor there, particularly as the metaphor was there from the beginning of the original series). I have no problem with the swearing and drug addiction, the disintegration into lawlessness of society on the fringes, Seven of Nine as a bounty hunter, the Romulans as sneaky manipulators, or the whole “synths are good/bad” dichotomy driving the plot. On the whole, it was fair to good. Not great, but enjoyable.
Discovery, on the other hand, was just silly for so many reasons and I can’t say I’m desperate for another season. That said, whoever hired Anson Mount to play Pike needed to win some sort of award for casting because that was an insanely good match.
Unfortunately, I don’t think I can afford to watch that show. You see, every time Seth MacFarlane appears onscreen I have to punch his stupid face, and I doubt my TV set will survive.
Well, tie your hands down and watch, because it really is the best Trek available.
I’d put the season 2 finale, The Road Not Taken, against TNG’s Best of Both Worlds.
I’d agree.
Admittedly, when The Orville is bad it’s really bad, particularly in the first few episodes, but there are some absolutely winners as well.
Oh yea! The bathroom humor in the first season can be off-putting. If someone only saw the worst of the early ones, I can totally see how they’d give up. Like if the first ST:TOS you saw was The Alternative Factor or The Omega Glory or Spock’s Brain. You’d have missed the ones that endure.
And here, you’d have missed the Moclans gettig addicted to cigarettes.
I don’t know if I’d go quite that far, though I’ll admit that BoBW holds a nostalgia-steeped place in my heart beyond even the rest of TNG. It was my first dramatic cliffhanger.
But I have nothing bad to say about The Orville. Not only is a very good show in its own right, but it’s always super enjoyable to watch a solid genre piece created by somebody who truly loves the genre. And Seth McFarlane is a massive Trek nerd.
Plus, I like bathroom humor.
The Orville is inconsistent, to be sure. I disliked them shooting to death a bunch of prison guards to stage an unsuccessful jail break; that’s just murder and it seemed out of place. The Kaylon war was a bit too much too soon.
But STTNG, one of the greatest shows ever made, was very inconsistent its first season (which was as many episodes as S1 and S2 of The Orville, so fair enough.)
The Orville lifts TOO much from Star Trek, but it sure beats the hell out of Picard and Discovery.
Incidentally, if you don’t like the Mr. Plinkett reviews, the same bunch of guys have a more conventional review; here are Mike Stoklasa (as himself, not as Mr Plinkett) and Rich Evans - both Star Trek fans - just discussing it.
Aah, I now understand all your posts to me in this thread. Basically, you’re posting from some alternate reality.