Star Wars Debate And Discussion About Contradictions In The Series.

Why does Princess Amidala have to die? At some point in the original three(I think it was Return of the Jedi), Leia describes her mother to Luke. Leia says that she always seemed so sad about something, IIRC. I had always thought that this was Luke’s and Leia’s real mother

Amidala was Queen, then Senator, but never “Princess”. Just clearing that up.

In ROTJ the person Leia describes is indeed Amidala. The scene goes as follows:
Luke: “Leia, do you remember your mother? Your real mother?”

Leia: “A little bit. She died when I was very young.”

Luke: “What do you remember?”

Leia: “Just images, really. Feelings.”

Luke: “Tell me.”

Leia: “She was very beautiful- kind, but sad. Why are you asking me this?”
Amidala doesn’t necessarily have to die in episode 3. Whether or not she will remains to be seen, of course, but we do know that she lived long enough for Leia to retain some sort of memories of her. I suppose it depends on how far in the future the movie takes us after Anakin’s fall.

Or the fact they have the same last name.

My thought has always been is the C3PO is the first part of a serial number. Since all the astro droids are refered to as R2 units, it’s likely that C3 is the starting serial number of the prootcol droid. Now since there are only 36*36 second numbers, it is probable that there are hundreds if not thousands of C3POs running around(with the trillions of people in the galaxy). For most people who only have to deal with a couple droids at once, the 4 digit code is good enough for an identifier. People who deal with lots of droids probably know them by an extended serial number.

P.S. the thing I really want to see in EPIII is where Tarkin came from, since he outranks Vadar, unless it’s just a “captain of the ship/deathstar is top authority” thing.

I want to see where Tarkin is at too. It’s said that the Death Star was mainly his idea, and we see in EPII that the geonosians (sp?) have the plans for it. They are basically only contracted to build the thing of course (as they built the droid army factories), but I think we should see how they got the plans in the first place. My guess is that we’ll see Tarkin as some kind of extreme loyalist to Palpatine, possibly from Naboo, or he could be just a high ranking general in the clone wars.

If the events of the series take place “a long time ago in a galaxy far far way”, how does Suandan acquire a holographic image of Jefferson Starship, a 20th century Earth band? And why does wookie porn involve humans?

It’s only “a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away” from the point of view of the storyteller. It actually takes place in our future, which just happens to be a long time ago to the storyteller. That’s why they say “Hello.” :slight_smile:

Okay. So I want to delve into the pop-psychology of DV/A, which will lead into a gripe I have about the series.

Annikan gave into the Dark Side of The Force by giving into his hatred, and then became Darth Vader - a twisted, malicious, and corrupted charicature of his inner self. That is awesome, very Shakespeareian, or even Tolkien.

But Annikan’s hatred of…what, exactly?

I was expecting a big epiphany in EP II where it becomes clear what Annikan’s hatred is of, and what drives him closer to the edge. Instead, we get an Annikan of the Sociopath/Psychopath variety. We are led to believe that his the reason of his giving into the Dark Side is driven from internal factors, not external. That was kind of disappointing for me. It is such a copout for a writer to say, “Uhhh, he acts that way because, he, uh, is crazy! Yeah, that’s it! Annikan is crazy!”

True, Yoda did say in EP I that The Force was extremely strong in Annikan (Midichlorians, mmHMM), but that he was unstable. It is still a copout. Being unstable doesn’t mean that he’s crazy, necessarily. If he’s unstable, then he is particularly sensitive to some outside factor that pushes him more towards bad than good. Being crazy is just being crazy.

Hayden Christensen is a good actor, and I enjoyed watching him in EP II, but I feel that with him flipping out all of the time on everyone around him, just gave me the impression that Annikan was crazy, not unstable.

I doubt that a hatred towards the Sandpeople for killing the mother he hasn’t seen for ten years is enough to make him want to rule the entire universe under his iron fist.

I was just expecting more intrigue from Annikan.

Did this bother anyone else?

Science fiction author David Brin has some interesting observations on the “anger leads to the dark side” argument. His main argument can be seen here.

More of David Brin on Star Wars (covering many of the contradictions we’ve been discussing here)

http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/feature/1999/06/15/brin_main/

http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/feature/1999/06/15/brin_side/

http://www.davidbrin.com/starwarsarticle1.html

I agree. I think there’s going to be something else in Episode III. Do you really think that’s all there is?

Boy, that David Brin sure is long-winded. He finally get to the anger-leading-to-the-Dark-Side thing on page 4. And his complaint seems to be that “the Dark Side”, the all-encompassing realm of evil, is not real. Well gee whiz…

I have a few things to add, I dont feel like going back and quoting, so bare with me.

K, about Greedo: I read the story about him, and it turns out that his species isnt exactly competant. Coincidently his first day at being a bounty hunter and using a blaster, and trying to intimidate someone was the same day he got killed.
Again, his species wasnt pick of the litter.

By the way, what was changed in this scene for the special edition?

About Luke in the future: He starts his very own Jedi acedemy on Yavin 4 where that Rebel base used to be.

Boba Fett: Indeed does not die in the sarlacc but is kept alive for a few days while is tries to melt through his armor and eat him.
He eventually escapes with torpedos on his arm, a broken leg and lots of injuries etc…and AIRC Denger the other bounty hunter saves him from there.

Female Jedi: Wasnt there one in Ep 2 fighting in the big arena??

About R2 models: Theres more than one Astromech. The worst is R1, the best is an R7. R2 is crap on the scale. (even though he can fly…:rolleyes: )

There are a few female Jedi in Ep2. Luminara Undali is one and she has a padawan who is also female. There is also a couple of human female Jedi as well. Thats all I have to add.

And there is also the beautiful Adi Gallia and Ayla Secura. This was Luminara’s padawan.

Thanks theen! I knew about Adi Gallia I just couldn’t remember her name. She is also the main character in Star Wars Jedi Starfighter I believe.

I would just like to know how they can use those little satellite things to communicate instantaneously with planets on the other side of the galaxy.

Quoth Super Gnat:

No, the Empire is definitely new. Remember, the Senate is only dissolved in Ep IV. As for where all the Republic patriots have gone, most of them haven’t gone anywhere. They’re still patriotic, to the Empire. Most folks consider it to be the same regime as the Republic.

Since I disagree with all three of these, I’ll add nothing to the discusson.:rolleyes:

Liea has to be at least powerful enough to impress Yoda and Obi-Wan. And there is no indication that the Force at that level is very common. Or, at least in every movie but 4. In 4 and part of 5, it seemed as if the Force was universal mystical power anyone can tap into if they truly believe. Then we learn that, instead, it’s a genetic thing: only the worthy need apply if they want to really do anything.

In the original, Greedo does not shoot his blaster, Han just blows him away because he knows he has to. It’s an important piece of character development that a lot of people dislike having altered. Personally, I liked Han better when he would pre-emptively whack a guy because he thought his life was in danger, as opposed to letting him get a shot off. It made him more dangerous, a little less… fluffy. Or something.

My big inconsistancy rant is about the Jedi “uniform”. This outfit was originally seen on Obi Wan when he was hiding out on Tatooine, and it’s clear that it was NOT supposed to be a Jedi thing. Hell, uncle Owen wears pretty much the same thing. The reason Obi Wan wears it is because he’s hiding out on Tatooine, and he’s attempting to blend in with the locals.

Naturally, by Ep. VI it’s implied that Luke is starting to look more like how the Jedi used to dress, with a black robe and more sleek look. But then he screws it up by showing Anakin in a Tatooine outfit at the end of the movie, and it was confusing. Sure enough, we see that for Ep I he’s decided that ALL Jedi are to wear the Tatooine rags… sigh.

And before anyone comes up with a crackass theory as to how this happens, bear in mind that Lucas has been on record as explaining how this decision was made. He knew it was technically wrong, but wanted to keep the same look for Obi Wan because he thought we wouldn’t be able to identify him otherwise when he appears in Ep I. There are sketches available (I’m trying to google for them now…) of what the artists originally wanted the Jedi to look like, and it was much more in line with Luke’s look at the end of Ep VI. Oh well.

I don’t think it’s a “Jedi” outfit, just a casual type of dress worn in the GFFA.