:dubious:
If IX was banking on this as any sort of climax it was already fucked. Phasma has what, like 8 lines over the two movies? Utterly forgettable character.
Are you sure you’re not projecting? Saying it underperformed when it’s the #9 international box office selling movie of all time is kind of overselling the point.
Movies with a lower International Box Office:
Frozen
Fate of the Furious
Civil War
Return of the King
Black Panther
I realize he may not have made the choices you wanted, but I thought they were gutsy choices for a guy restrained to a certain corporate point of view. And they showed not that he wasn’t interested in the fans - who still came out, I remind you - but that he was willing to challenge their preconceptions and expectations. That’s far more important in a creative person that giving people what they want. It opens up the future to do other concepts and approaches not enslaved to what came before.
Not to mention the fact that I think she’ll be the “Kenny” of Star Wars, showing up in IX with a small scratch on her face.
No, I am very sure I’m not projecting and I’d bet you any amount of money that Disney considers its box office take an underperformance as well. This is a Star Wars film…it was going to make a billion no matter what. If it had been better, if it hadn’t said a big “fuck you” to JJ Abrams, TFA and the fans’ expectations, it would have gotten the repeat business to kick it up over $1.5, maybe close to 2.
I understand that this is how you feel, but you don’t speak for the fans, and you don’t speak for Johnson. I wanted to see/know all this, and I think Johnson handled these scenes very creatively and very enjoyably.
I can get that you didn’t like the movie, and neither did many other fans. What I don’t get is why this view must necessarily be the view of “the fans”, and that fans like me who loved it don’t matter. Why can’t we just disagree about the movie – why does your view have to be the definitive view of “the fans”?
I obviously understand that there is a large percentage of the viewers who liked the movie. But this whole tangent was in response to someone who was amazed there were people who DIDN’T like it. This line of conversation was explaining why about half the fans don’t like what Johnson did with the movie.
Okay, then I’d recommend not use sweeping statements associating your views with those of “the fans”. Your views and yours, mine are mine, and “the fans” have very diverse views which certainly can’t be summed up with anything close to specificity.
Oh Gosh, I’d better issue a public apology on Twitter…
No need! On behalf of all true Star Wars fans, I absolve you of your sins. 
I can’t believe how much I now want for her to show up in full mirror-chrome armor, and then remove the helmet exactly long enough to show a small scratch on her face, and then put the helmet back on for the rest of the movie.
(Not even saying any lines during that; just helmet on, helmet off, helmet on.)
I put the odds of that, or something similar, at 50/50.
Likers? Haters? How about the Zzzzzzers?
Seriously, not only did it leave little reason to make an Ep 9, I found it forgettable in and of itself. As in, I already don’t remember it particularly well.
It didn’t leave me enough to hate. Just :shrug:
These are not valid criticisms.
The First Order is still ruling the galaxy. The Resistance is severely depleted and discouraged. Rey has better control of her powers. Kylo has revealed a crack of empathy. There are plenty of reasons for an Episode IX.
I’m with RikWriter with regards to being disappointed in TLJ. I get wanting to break new ground, but if Johnson just wanted to break new ground, he could have made a completely different movie. The way Johnson handled Luke was especially disappointing. Mark Hamill himself felt that Luke’s story was handled poorly, and I agree. I am none the less looking forward to Episode IX and think that Abrams will do a good job with it. For what it’s worth, here are my rankings of the movies so far, in four tiers.
- Episodes IV-VI.
- The Force Awakens.
A big gap then - The Last Jedi.
- Episodes I-III.
Where would you fit Rogue One in?
I’d heard the criticisms, but hadn’t watched TLJ until this last Tuesday. I get the criticism about Luke. It isn’t the victorious story we all wanted. Instead, he’s a bitter old, defeated man in hiding, who has even cut himself off from the force.
But that being said, they played that trope fairly well. He comes out to do exactly what he jokingly asked about, sacrificing his life, just to buy them time. Like Obi-Wan did on the Deathstar in the original movie. I liked that, in that combat, Luke wasn’t making any marks on the surface, giving away that he actually wasn’t there.
The kid at the end is clearly one of the stable kids at Canto, showing that there are still force sensitive kids out there immediately after anointing Rey as the new Last Jedi. I’m hoping that means we have a ragtag band of teenage and 20-something force users, against The Knights of Ren.
How old would Jacen Syndulla be? I certainly would not be opposed to anyone from Rebels showing up in SW IX.
Neither of them is in contention to be the worst Star Wars movie ever made, so long as The Phantom Menace still exists.
I think it’s a good thing Rian Johnson didn’t play to the fans. TFA was lots of fan service. Loved it, but we didn’t need more. I remember there was lots of fear that TLJ would be more of the same. He went a different direction and still catches hell. It was no win.
Check out this cast and production announcement.
Mark Hamill is back. Carrie Fisher is in it using footage filmed for Episode VII.
They start filming August 1.
Well of course I’ll go see it when it comes out, but I am baffled where they go with the story next. I mean, the Rebellion has been reduced to a couple dozen people on the Millenuim Falcon and it doesn’t appear that there is a whole lot of support out there for them (I kept waiting for the cavalry to appear in TLJ, but nothing showed). So how do you rebuild a galactic rebellion from that?
Only thing I can come up with, based on the brief clip at the end in stable, is a modified “Children of the Lens” ending (and no, I am not going to explain that). It might work, but it’s not really JJ Abrams style, so I guess we’ll have to wait another 16-17 months to find out.